2020 vs 2019 Engine

[WesS]

Looking at both a 2020 and 2019 GT350R. Is there a difference with the 2019 Gen #2 motor and a 2020? Any issues with the 2020?

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[svttim]

Looking at both a 2020 and 2019 GT350R. Is there a difference with the 2019 Gen #2 motor and a 2020? Any issues with the 2020?

no difference in the engine

 

[WesS]

Okay thanks. I knew some people were having issues but forgot what year it was. Just wanted to make sure it wasn’t either or.

 

[JAJ]

Looking at both a 2020 and 2019 GT350R. Is there a difference with the 2019 Gen #2 motor and a 2020? Any issues with the 2020?

The "gen 2" engine is an internet myth in the first place, so you don't have to worry if it's been replaced.

 

[GrabberBlue]

The "gen 2" engine is an internet myth in the first place, so you don't have to worry if it's been replaced.

How is the 2019+ Voodoo "Gen 2" a myth?

 

[GT30fan]

How is the 2019+ Voodoo "Gen 2" a myth?

Right. I even saw a video from places like Fathouse where they went over the 2019 engines and how that helps with their projects. I know the specs of what the motor does is the same, and the fact that 2019 onward might make more real power debated (in fact, I don't think it does, performance specs I think be the same 2015-2020), but the fact there is no Gen 2 due to the 500's block, pistons, etc I thought was very real. This was a big deal to me as I may consider boosting at some point, and the new set up is able to handle boost better. That, and the fact I wanted a B&O stereo, blind assist, etc

I don't think it should matter, but it almost seems a war between pre-2019 owners want to insist they are the same, for some reason. If you have a great, problem free motor, who cares? And it is what it is

The Porsche I owned was the wrong year for internet hype, they had something called "IMS" concerns in the year I owned, and while the issues were very real, it was also very rare. The truth is I had a VERY fun run with the car the time I owned it, and not a single issue. But to act like the bearings were not different year to year would of been silly of me.

Do not believe me or anyone else. Do some digging. Read up on stuff. I am not here to push A over B, but even if it was a myth (and my research shows it's not a myth), keep in mind the stories are going to be told in the same way I could not escape the IMS bearing hype with my Porsche.

If it turns out my engine is less then perfect.... eats oil, etc I will just fix it. I am hoping this car will be a "long term relationship" for me, and I take her, "for better, and for worse"

 

[JAJ]

How is the 2019+ Voodoo "Gen 2" a myth?

The Voodoo has had numerous running changes over the five year life so far, and if it continues, changes will continue. If you read enough on the internet, you'll know that the main and rod bearings have changed, the oil filter has changed twice, the heads and head bolts have changed, the cam phasers have changed, the fuel rails have changed, the oil pan has changed, the IMRC has changed, the block has changed and probably a bunch of other things. As some would say, "it's a work-in-progress".

There are two main reasons I keep pushing back on the "Gen 2" concept. The first is that there's no "dividing line" between the changes - some happened as early as 2017 and others for 2020. There's no moment when a purported Gen 1 ended and some kind of Gen 2 began. The evolution has been one change after another over the years. The second, and in my view even more important reason, is that we have no idea whether the changes were to improve the longevity and performance, or if they were just to make it cheaper to build. Certainly, from Ford's perspective, sharing the block with the GT500 (and making the GT350 heavier) is about cost control, not anything else.

That's why I think the concept that people have embraced about a Gen 2 Voodoo is misleading. Yes the 2019 engines were different from what came before, but so were the 2018's and 2017's. Awarding the latest ones with a gold star for being better is a bit of a stretch when Ford themselves have never said anything about it. They were very vocal about the Gen 2 and Gen 3 Coyote engines, but the Voodoo is still just a Voodoo as far as Ford's concerned.

 

[jmn444]

coyote gen 2 and 3 were significant bumps in power, power sells, so ford would want to make it known. I agree that '18 to '19 is mostly about keeping variants of blocks to a minimum for production IMO, but I'd suggest that the minute they started using a different block pretty much makes it a new generation. Same way that some people seek out a '69 351w block because it was stronger but it really doesn't make the engine run any differently compared to a 84 block, I think that time will tell but it's likely people will seek out a '19+ engine if they are looking for a replacement down the road or using it in a retrofit project.

 

[JAJ]

coyote gen 2 and 3 were significant bumps in power, power sells, so ford would want to make it known. I agree that '18 to '19 is mostly about keeping variants of blocks to a minimum for production IMO, but I'd suggest that the minute they started using a different block pretty much makes it a new generation. Same way that some people seek out a '69 351w block because it was stronger but it really doesn't make the engine run any differently compared to a 84 block, I think that time will tell but it's likely people will seek out a '19+ engine if they are looking for a replacement down the road or using it in a retrofit project.

I think that's a fair assessment. The problem with the way the Gen 2 concept has been pumped up is that, if you're buying a GT350 to drive as a GT350 - street and track, largely unmodified - then it doesn't really matter which set of changes your engine has, it'll meet those needs just fine. That's Ford's commitment and they're doing a very good job of delivering on it. If, however, you want to modify the engine, that's when the different changes begin to matter. For instance, if you're going to boost it, then for sure you want the GT500 block.

 

[jmn444]

agreed, warranty trumps all!

 

[GrabberBlue]

The Gen 1 coyote had changes throughout it's production cycle but it is still considered a Gen 1, so why is the Voodoo treated any different?

The 2019 Voodoo had numerous changes over the 2018, hence why it is called a Gen 2.

 

[Frank.Herbst]

Another way to figure out if a 19 engine is different enough from the previous ones is to wait for the guys that have driven and tracked different years to provide feedback. I have owned both a 17 and a 19 and can say something has changed. I have also seen other posts from guys that moved from a 15-18 to a 19 and said something similar. Problem is it takes time for us to get details of all the changes. My 19 does not accelerate as linearly as the 17. Is feels like they have changed the power band and it comes in harder above 4500rpm. It sounds different both on and off the gas. So yes we really don't know what all has been changed but I guess we will in time.

 

[BKTorch]

Another way to figure out if a 19 engine is different enough from the previous ones is to wait for the guys that have driven and tracked different years to provide feedback. I have owned both a 17 and a 19 and can say something has changed. I have also seen other posts from guys that moved from a 15-18 to a 19 and said something similar. Problem is it takes time for us to get details of all the changes. My 19 does not accelerate as linearly as the 17. Is feels like they have changed the power band and it comes in harder above 4500rpm. It sounds different both on and off the gas. So yes we really don't know what all has been changed but I guess we will in time.

Yeah, something is definitely different. Had an engine replacement done under warranty for my MY17 to a '19 engine. it felt fairly different during the break in period and continues to feel different after the break in period.

 

[Hack]

The Voodoo has had numerous running changes over the five year life so far, and if it continues, changes will continue. If you read enough on the internet, you'll know that the main and rod bearings have changed, the oil filter has changed twice, the heads and head bolts have changed, the cam phasers have changed, the fuel rails have changed, the oil pan has changed, the IMRC has changed, the block has changed and probably a bunch of other things. As some would say, "it's a work-in-progress".

Good list. The pistons and piston rings have also changed and the original design is no longer available from Ford, I believe.

 

[key01]

The early motors will be highly coveted in the future due to their raw nature and being the first gen.

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