2016 GT350 Sequential Gearbox?

[Brent302]

Correct. Manual = dated technology.

It ain't really a modern race car these days if it doesn't shift from the steering wheel. Z06 now comes with a auto. The Euros have for years. Even Shelby offered some automatic versions back in the day.

"The first of the modern generation of automatic transmissions was General Motors' Hydramatic, first offered as an option on the Oldsmobile during the 1940 season. Between 1934 and 1936, a handful of 18 horsepower Austins were fitted with the American-designed Hayes infinitely variable gear. The direct ancestor of the modern automatic gearbox was patented in 1898."

Autos are pretty dated to. I'm unimpressed I want a biological shifter tied in with the human body.....

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[Grimace427]

To extend that logic having an ICE under the hood or having 4 rubber tires are all dated technology. At what point are we calling the Mustang the pinnacle of automotive technology?

 

[Backorder]

Shouldn't the GT350 literally be able to lift off the ground and fly? This would make it much easier for passing people in races...


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[OppoLock]

Ford is failing if it doesn't make at least 300hp per liter, weigh under 2,000lbs, and consist mainly of graphene and carbon fiber reinforced millennium falcons. Also needs a quad clutch trans.

 

[Grimace427]

Ford is failing if it doesn't make at least 300hp per liter, weigh under 2,000lbs, and consist mainly of graphene and carbon fiber reinforced millennium falcons. Also needs a quad clutch trans.

What the hell is an aluminum falcon?

 

[Trackaholic]

What the hell is an aluminum falcon?:lol:

I think we can all agree that as long as the Mustang makes the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs, Ford will have a success on their hands.



-T

 

[Jaye Bass]

You do know that modern DCT's were pioneered by Porsche in their 956/962 line of cars? If two of the greatest prototype racers in history do not represent actual racing what does?

The underlying issue with a DCT (or PDK in Porsches case) would be its compatibility in organized motorsport and class competition. New automatics are fantastic however, keeping rulebooks in mind, there is no place for an automatic on a vehicle focused on a particular task such as road racing. A track day cruiser would be more than proper, your Super Tourer, your GT500 and ZL1's.

I've read articles that defend the use of DCT's in performance cars, and for the most part, I agree with most. They do keep pace with the manual, car for car. Sadly, none of those car enthusiasts/journalist keep actual racing in mind when defending their position on the matter.

I'm not eager to take on the weight of a DCT as well. They are well over 200lbs, 250lbs maybe... I say, keep the paddles and mate 'em to a sequential manual... especially if a flat plane crank is ever used. It would be all over a DCT, especially with an electric clutch.

 

[Steve-OO]

You do know that modern DCT's were pioneered by Porsche in their 956/962 line of cars? If two of the greatest prototype racers in history do not represent actual racing what does?

I believe that most people have little to no idea what a DCT actually is or how it works. There is nothing in that comment by TP that would lead me to believe he is not among the clueless.

I further believe that most people believe the paddle shifters in their new Mustang (or any run-of-the-mill car with 'em) are connected to some modern exotic transmission rather than a slushbox.

 

[Terlingua]

I don't think the issue is to whether a manual outperforms a paddle-auto for track day use, or vice versa. The issue is that years ago, autos were so poor they could not even remotely be considered for such performance applications. But now with clear dominance in professional racing, and offerings by exotic performance makes, the argument against paddle-autos is gone. Over. Stick a fork in it. Paddle-autos are going to only get more prevalent.

If you want a manual, good, it should be offered. But to exclude a paddle-auto for the many (if not majority) who now prefer those in performance makes is sheer stupidity by any auto maker. The point is that paddle-auto are technologically worthy and should now ALSO be offered. addle:

 

[Rob WH]

The paddle shifted DCT should be the standard transmission... Don't F1's use this kind of transmission? Don't several high dollar vehicles? While that seems like a deterrent to many, the fact is that prices come down once any technology both ages and gets used more. For the record, F1's do use a rather different version, but the overall design isn't that far off. With that, DCT's are constantly referred to as automatics... They're really not a slush-box, which is part of why they're so good.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/dual-clutch-transmission.htm

Why insist on just a manual when you can insist on just DCT!

 

[tbonez3858]

I've had several of my friends move to automatic transmission sports cars. What many people find satisfying about a manual is the ability to find the perfect RPM range for a given task. In this scenario the days of the manual transmission are really over...

I, on the other hand, find pleasure in the mechanical input of engaging the clutch and feeling the gears engage. There is something uniquely satisfying to me about it and it connects me to the car in a way that paddles never will. There is a MAJOR disconnect in a car that separates me from the mechanical intricacies of the car and regardless of any performance gains it falls short. The argument can also be made that we've come so far from a "pure" driving experience that hanging onto the manual transmission is a moot argument (power steering/etc/etc). To me the manual transmission is a key link of engagement and an option that should still be available for performance cars.

The performance argument for the automatic exists but in terms of connection of the car it doesnt exist and never will...

 

[91z28350]

I agree, there is a very visceral and tangible connection made with a manual transmission as opposed to an automatic (flappy paddles or otherwise). And on a car meant for handling, corner carving, general enjoyment they are hard to beat.

However, from a pure performance standpoint, especially in my preferred motorsports activities(drag racing), the performance advantage is just too great to pass up. It can easily be .2 or more in the quarter. And the greater the horsepower, the greater the discrepancy.

 

[Swoope]

I've had several of my friends move to automatic transmission sports cars. What many people find satisfying about a manual is the ability to find the perfect RPM range for a given task. In this scenario the days of the manual transmission are really over...

I, on the other hand, find pleasure in the mechanical input of engaging the clutch and feeling the gears engage. There is something uniquely satisfying to me about it and it connects me to the car in a way that paddles never will. There is a MAJOR disconnect in a car that separates me from the mechanical intricacies of the car and regardless of any performance gains it falls short. The argument can also be made that we've come so far from a "pure" driving experience that hanging onto the manual transmission is a moot argument (power steering/etc/etc). To me the manual transmission is a key link of engagement and an option that should still be available for performance cars.

The performance argument for the automatic exists but in terms of connection of the car it doesnt exist and never will...

I agree, there is a very visceral and tangible connection made with a manual transmission as opposed to an automatic (flappy paddles or otherwise). And on a car meant for handling, corner carving, general enjoyment they are hard to beat.

However, from a pure performance standpoint, especially in my preferred motorsports activities(drag racing), the performance advantage is just too great to pass up. It can easily be .2 or more in the quarter. And the greater the horsepower, the greater the discrepancy.

and those are great points, and i share them.. i have a track car that has a great shifting manual and great pedal placement. allowing me to do all those things that take some time and talent to learn..

but on a just a why not kinda mood i bought a 12 gti dsg as a daily driver thinking well my parents could drive it without issue when they visit..

well, the dsg amazing piece of work. it should be offered. as mention of cost. well vw charges 1100 bucks for it.

btw, this dsg is behind a 2.0 l 207 hp motor. yet it holds up to ~400 whp 375 tq tuned motors..

if i get a mustang it will be a manual. but i would love to have the choice.

an auto with a tq converter would not be considered..

beers

 

[Trackaholic]

I have a GTI and went the manual route.

I realize the DSG performs better, but I prefer manuals due to the additional interaction with the car. For me, the only time I really want the paddles is when I am at the track. There are times where it would be nice to really focus on the other aspects of the drive and just pull a paddle to downshift.

When I drove the C7 I was able to try out the auto-rev-match feature (also exists on the 370Z and the 911). I thought it was a little slow, but it was great as a backup. I would heel-toe myself, and if I did it right the car wouldn't really have anything to do. If I botched it the car would correct it for me. Was a great way to go because you get the interaction of the manual but the ability to pay less attention to it when you want to slack off a bit.

I'd like to see the Mustang get something like that in the stick shift version (defeatable of course).

-T

 

[Swoope]

I have a GTI and went the manual route.

I realize the DSG performs better, but I prefer manuals due to the additional interaction with the car. For me, the only time I really want the paddles is when I am at the track. There are times where it would be nice to really focus on the other aspects of the drive and just pull a paddle to downshift.

When I drove the C7 I was able to try out the auto-rev-match feature (also exists on the 370Z and the 911). I thought it was a little slow, but it was great as a backup. I would heel-toe myself, and if I did it right the car wouldn't really have anything to do. If I botched it the car would correct it for me. Was a great way to go because you get the interaction of the manual but the ability to pay less attention to it when you want to slack off a bit.

I'd like to see the Mustang get something like that in the stick shift version (defeatable of course).

-T

have always been fascinated by the rev match feature for a manual.. i really have a lot of time invested in heel toe, but still i botch it just enough on rare occasion..

dont know why in this day and age the mustang does not offer it in the manual. for those that say it needs more sensors, i call crap. the ecu knows what is happening everywhere. it can figure it out.

one of the big things i recall on a track day. going into turn one at roebling road.. i had a 350z go totally sideways at the #2 marker.. then spun to the inside. dont know how that happened as i was about 20ft behind him and way hard on the brakes when it happened.

caught up to him later and asked. went from 5th to 2nd, wheels locked was along for the ride..



beers

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