2015 V6 Engine Blown @ 13k

[paul123]

I can barely afford my v6 let alone a v8. Trust me if i could afford a v8 myself i would have. Wanted a mustang to enjoy and mod but seems that was a waste. Ford seems to care less about the people that can only afford base models and only does things for the GT crowd. Very sad

I went many years in a 200hp V8. The power in the modern DOHC VVT V6 is almost magic. I would have to poke around the car market some, but I doubt there is much choice in NA 300hp / manual transmission at this price point. Keep it stock, check engine oil levels monthly, and then dog it as much as you want , and take comfort in the 5 year power train warranty

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[GT Pony]

Also a saleman at ford told me that when dealership receives car from factory, they service them, they change oil and check everything thoroughly. And big dealership skip on this because of their volume. He said it is very probable they have not done this hence the leak on the oil filter.

I highly doubt they actually change the oil on a brand new car delivered to the dealership from Ford. They are however supposed to do good checkout of the new cars (check oil levels, etc) that arrive before they are sold anybody.

 

[GT Pony]

As for my dealership they assured me in writting my veh with my mods is under warranty. And you can see my mods list.

Your list of mods shows "Unleashed Tune 93 octane". Everything I've read here on this board about guys with engine problems, if Ford finds the ECU has been reflashed they will automatically void the warranty. Doesn't matter if the tune was the cause or not, Ford isn't going to do some in dept investigation on the real cause, they are just going to take the easy way out and say the ECU flash caused it.

 

[paul123]

I highly doubt they actually change the oil on a brand new car delivered to the dealership from Ford. They are supposed to do good checkout of the new cars that arrive before they are sold anybody.

I agree. why would they do this? Just driving up costs for no reason.

I doubt they would do a good checkout, as in put the car on a lift and have a look around.

Probably the car just gets a wash, some interior dusting, and a tank of gas.

OP got a good deal on a car with 200 miles on it, so it may have got a little more attention but I doubt it

 

[paul123]

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I have bought a 201 mustang v6 the very base model Ruby Red for 20k + taxes + Delivery etc which totaled around 22k for the whole car out of the dealer in VA.

The whole deal ended up being very very good. I went to pick the car and it had 240 miles on it. It took them 2 hours to convince me to go through with the sale including another 300$ off.

First oil change, only 2 quarts came out from the engine. The freaking Factory oil filter had a leak on it. It was not tightened all the way from factory.

I highly doubt they actually change the oil on a brand new car delivered to the dealership from Ford. They are however supposed to do good checkout of the new cars (check oil levels, etc) that arrive before they are sold anybody.

Now that I think about this some more, since OP got a good deal on a car that was slightly used, dealership likely had changed the oil and (noob mechanic) failed to tighten the filter properly. And OP didn't check the oil periodically because, why would you do that on a brand new car?

I place my bets on much tighter QC at the Ford assembly plant, than at the dealership. Very unlikely the car showed up at dealership with an improperly tightened / leaky oil filter.

 

[TricarboNate]

the 2011+ engines any better than the 15-16?

The 2011+ engines made a quantum leap in HP / Liter, at the cost of complexity. DOHC VVT , etc

Revised upper intake manifold, and speed desntiy are really the only changes. The rest should be identical to the 2014 and older V6s....which were known to be pretty reliable engines.

That being said, there will sometimes be problems. It's a Ford engine after all...

 

[paul123]

That being said, there will sometimes be problems. It's a Ford engine after all...

I am going to take a guess that Ford engines and the 6-speed Auto are fairly solid, because they are lifted from the F150, and that's Ford's big profit engine (pun intended). The rest of the Mustang may have varying degrees of quality, because well, it's not Fords main profit engine.

Now if you mod or run the engine low on oil, you are entering the domain of the Donald Rumsfeld "unknown unknowns". "Enter at your own risk"

 

[FordTechOne]

I was being sarcastic. Just sad to see Ford cant make a reliable car in this dayin age that can handle simple bolt ons. I have modded many vehicles much heavier than this with stock internals and no issues at all. It is a sports car for hevens sake it should be built stringer and with "performance" in mind. Seems they fell short with the 15-16. Seems they all have issues whether v8, 4cyl or v6.

You can't be serious...

So now you claim Ford "can't make a reliable car" because you think the manufacturer should cover damage caused by aftermarket modifications? :lol:

Warranties cover component and manufacturing defects. They don't cover damage induced by your aftermarket modifications. That's the same for ALL manufacturers; they all have the same policies regarding aftermarket modifications. I thought it was common sense but apparently common sense isn't that common anymore.

You purchased a vehicle for a set price that performs as advertised. If you think you're entitled to modify it and have the manufacturer cover the repairs when something breaks due to your modifications, you're out of your damn mind.

How did Ford "fall short" with the 15 and 16 models? They are not "all having issues" nor do they "need to be stronger". The only people that are having any serious problems are those that heavily modify their vehicles. Engine issues on stock cars are very few and far between.

 

[Falconetti]

"Warranties cover component and manufacturing defects. They don't cover damage induced by your aftermarket modifications."

I think everyone is ok with this statement, However I believe the concern is how the cause is related to or cause d by the mods, Most seem to convey the dealer seems to default to the "well its got modifications, sorry, our cars can't handle any more power, they are maxed out, you're on your own for repairs" get out of jail free card.

If I had a warranty concern and there was a thorough look into the cause if mods were suspected, accompanied by a written explanation then it would be easier to understand as opposed to the service writer diagnosing an internal engine problem on the service drive.

 

[347CobraII]

You can't be serious...

So now you claim Ford "can't make a reliable car" because you think the manufacturer should cover damage caused by aftermarket modifications? :lol:

Warranties cover component and manufacturing defects. They don't cover damage induced by your aftermarket modifications. That's the same for ALL manufacturers; they all have the same policies regarding aftermarket modifications. I thought it was common sense but apparently common sense isn't that common anymore.

You purchased a vehicle for a set price that performs as advertised. If you think you're entitled to modify it and have the manufacturer cover the repairs when something breaks due to your modifications, you're out of your damn mind.

How did Ford "fall short" with the 15 and 16 models? They are not "all having issues" nor do they "need to be stronger". The only people that are having any serious problems are those that heavily modify their vehicles. Engine issues on stock cars are very few and far between.

He's crazy but he wants Ford to over build it to support everything he wants to do. Sure Ford could but he would be unwilling to pay for it

 

[Metaflame]

Soo... I went a step further to the dark side..

I was chatting with my mechanic and noticed my headers are completely rusted, I mean they look awful. GT gets the Stainless Steel headers but the V6 gets Iron.

I asked them if I bought headers if they would install them since the engine is out and it is easy. They said yea it is no problem.

So I just bought the BBK Shorty Ceramic Headers, JLT oil catch and Steeda clutch line as well which they will put on this week while they are installing the new engine.

 

[347CobraII]

Soo... I went a step further to the dark side..

I was chatting with my mechanic and noticed my headers are completely rusted, I mean they look awful. GT gets the Stainless Steel headers but the V6 gets Iron.

I asked them if I bought headers if they would install them since the engine is out and it is easy. They said yea it is no problem.

So I just bought the BBK Shorty Ceramic Headers, JLT oil catch and Steeda clutch line as well which they will put on this week while they are installing the new engine.

GT headers still rust just lightly low grade stainless aka magnet will still stick to them barely

 

[Blk2015GT]

"Warranties cover component and manufacturing defects. They don't cover damage induced by your aftermarket modifications."

I think everyone is ok with this statement, However I believe the concern is how the cause is related to or cause d by the mods, Most seem to convey the dealer seems to default to the "well its got modifications, sorry, our cars can't handle any more power, they are maxed out, you're on your own for repairs" get out of jail free card.

If I had a warranty concern and there was a thorough look into the cause if mods were suspected, accompanied by a written explanation then it would be easier to understand as opposed to the service writer diagnosing an internal engine problem on the service drive.

Well except everyone wants Ford to eat the diagnostic costs to figure out what is wrong that could possibly be caused by their mods. Are the mods always the cause? Of course not, depending on the mod. Catback or no-tune CAI, or say suspension bits/springs, way more unlikely (unlikely not impossible) since they do so little. Tune? Way more likely since it was running outside factory spec.

It's obviously cost prohibitive to just disassemble an engine to then say the mod caused the issue and not cover it; meaning they don't then get paid for that labor. They are going to err on the side of caution and mods deny and work from there once Ford corporate gets involved and requests the tear-down at corporate's cost

You can't be serious...

So now you claim Ford "can't make a reliable car" because you think the manufacturer should cover damage caused by aftermarket modifications? :lol:

Warranties cover component and manufacturing defects. They don't cover damage induced by your aftermarket modifications. That's the same for ALL manufacturers; they all have the same policies regarding aftermarket modifications. I thought it was common sense but apparently common sense isn't that common anymore.

You purchased a vehicle for a set price that performs as advertised. If you think you're entitled to modify it and have the manufacturer cover the repairs when something breaks due to your modifications, you're out of your damn mind.

How did Ford "fall short" with the 15 and 16 models? They are not "all having issues" nor do they "need to be stronger". The only people that are having any serious problems are those that heavily modify their vehicles. Engine issues on stock cars are very few and far between.

Some people just have completely unrealistic expectations, or just a lack of common sense.

The 15-16 is built plenty strong. People are running the Ford Racing/Roush supercharger on the GT at 670hp with no other mods.

 

[Falconetti]

Well except everyone wants Ford to eat the diagnostic costs to figure out what is wrong that could possibly be caused by their mods.

It's obviously cost prohibitive to just disassemble an engine to then say the mod caused the issue and not cover it; meaning they don't then get paid for that labor. They are going to err on the side of caution and mods deny and work from there once Ford corporate gets involved and requests the tear-down at corporate's cost



Some people just have completely unrealistic expectations, or just a lack of common sense.

I agree with you, its a situation where you can't make everyone happy.

 

[Blk2015GT]

I agree with you, its a situation where you can't make everyone happy.

That's the problem hit on the head. They have to be uniform about it too since you have whiny "me too or else you're discriminating" people in our society these days. So if they're not going to tear everyone's car apart at their expense to look for the mod causing the issue then they aren't for anyone and just stamp denied when a mod is present.

Beyond that if the owner wants to fight Ford then corporate can order the teardown and pay the dealership for it.

These engine failures for any mods are the exception to the rule though and VERY rare honestly compared to how many total 15s-16s are out there, and even how many modded cars. Of the 4-5 total people so far (this V6 and a few Ecos which isnt surprising when pushing a car already under boost) that's a small small fraction of modded 15s-16s

And honestly I think the only engine Ford contemplated being beefed up "officially" was the V8 due to FRRP/Roush supercharger so it was built to withstand far more than rated.

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