2002 Camaro SS VS. Ecoboost

[Taneras]

A 2002 Camaro SS was 3411 pounds and a 2015 Ecoboost comes in at 3524. Since the Camaro has a small HP and decent TQ advantage the Camaro should win by a couple tenths. I swear the LS faithful give that sucker more power and less weight every year. :lol:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0112_camaro_ss_mustang_cobra_comparison/viewall.html

http://wot.motortrend.com/mt-then-a...990-camaro-1le-1967-camaro-ss-350-264307.html

I'm comparing, as most people do, base to base. Moreover, if your reading comprehension was up to snuff, you'd realize I was comparing the 02 SS to a GT, not an ecoboost. The OP said he pulled on a 02 SS from a dig, and I made the off hand comment that he may as well have been running a 5.0 from a dig as they're just as fast (up to a point, roughly an 1/8th mile). That comment spawned this current conversation, are the older LS1's in the same league as a 5.0? To a point I think they are.

Base to base gets you 3700lbs and 3300lbs respectfully. The 5.0 does have a slight power to weight advantage, and you see that play out in the entire 1/4 mile. But up until the 1/8th mile, its close - hence my "you might as well be racing a 5.0" comment. The OP said he pulled from a dig, which is about like him pulling from a dig on a 5.0, considering their very similar 1/8th mile traps.

I believe the OP, I was just saying these results are not common and he shouldn't expect to see this happen often.

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[Northman]

I'm comparing, as most people do, base to base. Moreover, if your reading comprehension was up to snuff, you'd realize I was comparing the 02 SS to a GT, not an ecoboost. The OP said he pulled on a 02 SS from a dig, and I made the off hand comment that he may as well have been running a 5.0 from a dig as they're just as fast (up to a point, roughly an 1/8th mile). That comment spawned this current conversation, are the older LS1's in the same league as a 5.0? To a point I think they are.

Base to base gets you 3700lbs and 3300lbs respectfully. The 5.0 does have a slight power to weight advantage, and you see that play out in the entire 1/4 mile. But up until the 1/8th mile, its close - hence my "you might as well be racing a 5.0" comment. The OP said he pulled from a dig, which is about like him pulling from a dig on a 5.0, considering their very similar 1/8th mile traps.

I believe the OP, I was just saying these results are not common and he shouldn't expect to see this happen often.

You can compare it however the hell you want your numbers are way off for that car. The sad part is the LS camaros are nice cars but you start to sound like one of those old drunks telling people about the 5 dollars on the dash that you bet people they couldn't get. The 02 camaro is within half a second of a 5.0 but so are a lot of older muscle...so what :shrug:

 

[Hack]

They're nearly 250lbs apart, and the LS1 is underrated. It probably makes 310 at the wheels. They're not far off of a stock 5.0's performance.

Good kill Sith, just don't expect these results all the time. A stock SS is capable of high 12's with a decent driver.

Some small mods but no internal engine mods - stock Coyote 2015 GT 1/4 mile at 11.2. Quite a bit faster than high 12s.

The Bama Performance tuned 2015 Mustang GT went 11.2 @ 121 MPH! The modifications are as follows [Updated 11/6 @ 2PM EST]:

• 1. Full Exhaust System
• – Custom 1 7/8″ Long Tube Headers
• – O/R X Pipe
• – Race Bullet Mufflers
• 2. JLT Cold Air Intake (Stock Intake Manifold)
• 3. Suspension Upgrades
• – Custom Fabricated Suspension Parts (will disclose at a later date)
• – Stock Half Shafts
• – Stock Bushings
• 4. Minor Weight Reduction
• – Removed Passenger Seat And Rear Seat
• – Race Weight: 3,650 With Half Tank Of Fuel And Driver
• 5. Slicks and Skinnies
• – 17″ Weld RTS With Mickey Thompson Front Runners
• – Hoosier Drag Slicks
• 6. Bama Performance X4 With 93 Track Tune

This was all done on stock IRS bushings and half-shafts, which is incredibly impressive and gives us a sense of how robust the IRS system from Ford is.
This time was achieved on the first pass made right off the trailer and without the help of any sort of power adder or nitrous. The Bama Team is only beginning to really tap into the potential of the S550 and has much more in store for the 2015 Mustang, but they started off with the bar set high. Stay tuned as Bama goes back to the track in search of even faster 1/4 mile times in the 2015 Mustang! .

 

[Taneras]

You can compare it however the hell you want your numbers are way off for that car.

And of course you're just going to do a drive by assertion on this.

Please tell me what numbers I've claimed about these cars are "way off".

The 02 camaro is within half a second of a 5.0 but so are a lot of older muscle...so what :shrug:

I've already explained to you how the comparison came about. The issue isn't with me, its with your reading comprehension skills.

 

[Taneras]

Some small mods but no internal engine mods - stock Coyote 2015 GT 1/4 mile at 11.2. Quite a bit faster than high 12s.

Custom headers, exhaust with catless x-pipe, tune, cai, slicks and skinnies, custom suspension, and ~100lbs weight reduction is also quite a bit of distance from being stock.

My comparison was stock vs stock.

 

[Northman]

And of course you're just going to do a drive by assertion on this.

Please tell me what numbers I've claimed about these cars are "way off".



I've already explained to you how the comparison came about. The issue isn't with me, its with your reading comprehension skills.

Read the two articles I provided. The first is from 2009 and the second from 2012. The LS is a nice car but those early 2000 camaros are low to mid 13 second cars. I laugh because everyone is all over the map on their weight and whp. Stock auto base 3.55 mustangs are running 12.5 and 12.4. Thats real. I dont mean to upset you just trying to help you out.

 

[Joe_Stang]

The ecoboost with at least a tune should be able to take it. My tuned 2015 v6 with bolt ons kept up with them.

 

[Hack]

Custom headers, exhaust with catless x-pipe, tune, cai, slicks and skinnies, custom suspension, and ~100lbs weight reduction is also quite a bit of distance from being stock.

My comparison was stock vs stock.

The Coyote motor was stock was my point.

 

[Renner]

The Coyote motor was stock was my point.

I consider an engine swap a bolt on...well it does bolt on right???

 

[Taneras]

Read the two articles I provided. The first is from 2009 and the second from 2012. The LS is a nice car but those early 2000 camaros are low to mid 13 second cars. I laugh because everyone is all over the map on their weight and whp. Stock auto base 3.55 mustangs are running 12.5 and 12.4. Thats real. I dont mean to upset you just trying to help you out.

The chevy/camaro/ls1 fanboy assumption did rub me the wrong way. I actually just purchased a 2015 auto 3.55 GT and its the 3rd mustang I've purchased - and I've only purchased 3 cars. I just hate how the go to around these forums if anyone says anything positive about anything non-mustang is they have to be a fanboy of that make and model. While I wouldn't classify myself as a mustang fanboy, I certainly am a fan.

And I'm just going off what I've seen in real life. I've seen plenty of SS's with just a slp lid (they worship those things) and exhaust nipping at the heels of stock auto 5.0's. Considering the SS the OP ran had open pipes (I'm assuming a catless o/r setup of some sort) I figured you're looking at about the same thing.

The links you showed had the LS1 trapping ~107mph. Throw another mph or two onto that for an exhaust and, at least by my measure, you're in 5.0 territory. Not as in you're the exact same speed, but close enough to be comparable.

 

[Taneras]

The Coyote motor was stock was my point.

I'm still not seeing this as a valid comparison. What if someone dropped a stock LS1 into a 240zx, then did all of the above (custom headers and suspension, tune, exhaust, cai, skinnies and slicks, and weight reduction)? I'd bet you'd see some pretty sick times.

The LS1 is still stock, right? ;)

 

[Hack]

I'm still not seeing this as a valid comparison. What if someone dropped a stock LS1 into a 240zx, then did all of the above (custom headers and suspension, tune, exhaust, cai, skinnies and slicks, and weight reduction)? I'd bet you'd see some pretty sick times.

The LS1 is still stock, right? ;)

Sure, but wouldn't you want to put some decent heads and a better cam in the LS? And wouldn't you want to replace the junk cast pistons that disintegrate so easily? And you should really upgrade the crank because it's not made to handle that much power? Oh, and a new block because the sleeves are too thin to bore?

LS1 just has so many flaws. It's definitely an improvement over the small block Ford that Chivy was copying, but they left so much on the table. I suppose that's why Chivy does a new LSsomething design almost every year. :lol:

 

[Northman]

The chevy/camaro/ls1 fanboy assumption did rub me the wrong way. I actually just purchased a 2015 auto 3.55 GT and its the 3rd mustang I've purchased - and I've only purchased 3 cars. I just hate how the go to around these forums if anyone says anything positive about anything non-mustang is they have to be a fanboy of that make and model. While I wouldn't classify myself as a mustang fanboy, I certainly am a fan.

And I'm just going off what I've seen in real life. I've seen plenty of SS's with just a slp lid (they worship those things) and exhaust nipping at the heels of stock auto 5.0's. Considering the SS the OP ran had open pipes (I'm assuming a catless o/r setup of some sort) I figured you're looking at about the same thing.

The links you showed had the LS1 trapping ~107mph. Throw another mph or two onto that for an exhaust and, at least by my measure, you're in 5.0 territory. Not as in you're the exact same speed, but close enough to be comparable.

Its all good and I think it was actually another poster who was claiming some insane figures for the LS Camaro. A friend of mine has a 2001 SS with a procharger and its pretty damn fast. He runs some 20's that never hook and his tires suffer from perpetual baldness. I am still trying to figure out if I am going to get a base 2016 mustang GT in the spring or a loaded 2014. First world problems right.

 

[Erik427]

My 2000 and 2001 Camaros both weighed around 3,600lbs. Never pulled anything near 300rwhp even after mods. Sorry, but this is the truth. Mid 13's and no faster.

 

[stang77]

No doubt. The EB fast list is a hair away from their first bolt on 11 second slip. Should see a few soon with that nice cool fall air coming.

I plan to hit the track this fall with my car.

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