'19 GT350 engine replacement

[K4fxd]

I still think the problems with the voodoo are from the way Ford did the crank. They should have done it like a 4 cylinder with the 2 outside throws being up and the 2 inside being down.

I think the opposite throws are causing a harmonic that the engineers didn't account for and they don't know how to get rid of it.

Anyway my opinion. Ferrari's don't blow up.

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[Strokerswild]

Tom, do you intend to keep your GT350s (and your GT500, for that matter) indefinitely, after warranty? Just curious.

I have a real interest in a '22 GT500. However, the same demons that plagued my brain when I owned my '07 GT500 and it went out of warranty are coming back to roost, namely cost to repair in the event of a worst case scenario. The "Shelby tax" is real after all.

 

[Hangman77]

I still think the problems with the voodoo are from the way Ford did the crank. They should have done it like a 4 cylinder with the 2 outside throws being up and the 2 inside being down.

I think the opposite throws are causing a harmonic that the engineers didn't account for and they don't know how to get rid of it.

Anyway my opinion. Ferrari's don't blow up.

ferraris blow up plenty. And the owners of Ferrari’s put less than 1000-1500 miles a year.

mustang guys like us put that in a month. Hence failures.

plus we actually post on the internet. Your not gonna be reading to many rich dudes posting it up. Remember Most ferraris are never driven!

 

[Tomster]

Tom, do you intend to keep your GT350s (and your GT500, for that matter) indefinitely, after warranty? Just curious.

I have a real interest in a '22 GT500. However, the same demons that plagued my brain when I owned my '07 GT500 and it went out of warranty are coming back to roost, namely cost to repair in the event of a worst case scenario. The "Shelby tax" is real after all.

Yes, I do plan to keep them. I think that much of them. The only thing that would change that would be a Ford GT, but that probably isn't ever going to happen.

 

[Lorne34]

I think the whole purpose of Tom's post was to report what he saw, not to make a statement that all of the Gen2's are going to blow up. I spent over a year laboring, fretting over the decision to purchase my 2019. I finally came to the realization that there is a clear and present danger of any high performance sports car having issues. So I had to come to terms with that reality and decide whether to buy my chips and step up to the table. For me the experience of this car was worth it 100%. Heck, even the Gt500 with the CPC engine has seen failures. I was fully expecting there to be some failures with the 2019's, so I take note of it and try not to over react.
I plan on getting an extended warranty on the engine/power train this year as mine only has 1500 miles on it currently and still under factory warranty. From what I understand the pricing is better if you get it sooner than later.
There are guys who own 2015-2018 models that are rock solid and some that had issues.
The difference in price for a used 2019 vs a 2017 or 2018 was insignificant in my mind based upon the selling price of the car, so I decided to give myself the best possible chance of success by going with the Gen2 engine, plus I got all of the upgrades (engine, interior, aero, etc..) they did in 2019 which In my mind were significant and desirable.
Let's not stoke the coals on another engine failure thread please....

 

[Rubyred17]

I think the whole purpose of Tom's post was to report what he saw, not to make a statement that all of the Gen2's are going to blow up. I spent over a year laboring, fretting over the decision to purchase my 2019. I finally came to the realization that there is a clear and present danger of any high performance sports car having issues. So I had to come to terms with that reality and decide whether to buy my chips and step up to the table. For me the experience of this car was worth it 100%. Heck, even the Gt500 with the CPC engine has seen failures. I was fully expecting there to be some failures with the 2019's, so I take note of it and try not to over react.
I plan on getting an extended warranty on the engine/power train this year as mine only has 1500 miles on it currently and still under factory warranty. From what I understand the pricing is better if you get it sooner than later.
There are guys who own 2015-2018 models that are rock solid and some that had issues.
The difference in price for a used 2019 vs a 2017 or 2018 was insignificant in my mind based upon the selling price of the car, so I decided to give myself the best possible chance of success by going with the Gen2 engine, plus I got all of the upgrades (engine, interior, aero, etc..) they did in 2019 which In my mind were significant and desirable.
Let's not stoke the coals on another engine failure thread please....

i agree. If we are going to argue about something Let’s argue about motor oil !!!

just kidding- great post and I agree

 

[Caballus]

I'll ask.

Thanks for posting. Also interested in whatever details you come with; i.e., mileage, signs of abuse or neglect, if any, etc. Thanks again.

 

[lenFeb]

Thanks for posting. Also interested in whatever details you come with; i.e., mileage, signs of abuse or neglect, if any, etc. Thanks again.

All above + production date on the motor would be helpful. Because I sense these motors are late 2019. We first start hearing about cylinder #8 failure in early 2020.

 

[lenFeb]

I still think the problems with the voodoo are from the way Ford did the crank. They should have done it like a 4 cylinder with the 2 outside throws being up and the 2 inside being down.

I think the opposite throws are causing a harmonic that the engineers didn't account for and they don't know how to get rid of it.

Anyway my opinion. Ferrari's don't blow up.

I doubt crank is the reason. Otherwise we'll have similar symptoms through out 15-20. But they're all different. For instance 17' was known of oil starvation and 20' is cylinder failure.

 

[K4fxd]

I may be in left field but I think that is the root cause and as they fix one area another shows up.

 

[Tomster]

I think the whole purpose of Tom's post was to report what he saw, not to make a statement that all of the Gen2's are going to blow up. I spent over a year laboring, fretting over the decision to purchase my 2019. I finally came to the realization that there is a clear and present danger of any high performance sports car having issues. So I had to come to terms with that reality and decide whether to buy my chips and step up to the table. For me the experience of this car was worth it 100%. Heck, even the Gt500 with the CPC engine has seen failures. I was fully expecting there to be some failures with the 2019's, so I take note of it and try not to over react.
I plan on getting an extended warranty on the engine/power train this year as mine only has 1500 miles on it currently and still under factory warranty. From what I understand the pricing is better if you get it sooner than later.
There are guys who own 2015-2018 models that are rock solid and some that had issues.
The difference in price for a used 2019 vs a 2017 or 2018 was insignificant in my mind based upon the selling price of the car, so I decided to give myself the best possible chance of success by going with the Gen2 engine, plus I got all of the upgrades (engine, interior, aero, etc..) they did in 2019 which In my mind were significant and desirable.
Let's not stoke the coals on another engine failure thread please....

That is correct.

So many people have such high expectations that they don't want to acknowledge that the engine does have some issues. A lot of the folks that cant stand this kind of talk are the HEP crowd, you know the ones that think they bought an investor grade car..... God forbid if their numbers matching engine might require a swap out because it blew.....

So there I was discussing the elephant in the room, or should I say engine on the floor, with my tech who just got done swapping out my other half shaft in my CFTP. We talked for about an hour.... which model years that were less prone, more prone, and the usual reasons. I saw someone comment that the 16 MY was a good year for the voodoo. I agree. I had a 16 track pack that never burned a drop of oil. I have had 2 17 Rs that consumed some oil, but nothing near what would require an engine swap. The 18 base R I have has not consumed any oil so far, but it is not driven much so as to keep the miles off it. I take it out on a nice day and enjoy how the car is different from the others.

Back to engine swaps, I don't see what the big deal is. You should be buying these cars to enjoy. If an engine blew, it will be covered by Ford as long as you didn't do anything to cause its failure. I had a long talk with Jim Owens about warranty and how Ford will stand behind materials and workmanship, even for track use. It is the opinion of Jim and Ford that the car should be driven as it was designed to..... to include track use.

So all you folks who got yourself an investor HEP and are scared to death of the engine letting go, don't worry about it. If you are, then either sell your car or tuck it away and never use it. I do strongly suggest getting an 8 year extended warranty.

I have a text into my tech waiting for some of those answers. I did ask him if I could buy the engine, but I don't think that is going to happen.

 

[sk47]

That is correct.

So many people have such high expectations that they don't want to acknowledge that the engine does have some issues. A lot of the folks that cant stand this kind of talk are the HEP crowd, you know the ones that think they bought an investor grade car..... God forbid if their numbers matching engine might require a swap out because it blew.....

So there I was discussing the elephant in the room, or should I say engine on the floor, with my tech who just got done swapping out my other half shaft in my CFTP. We talked for about an hour.... which model years that were less prone, more prone, and the usual reasons. I saw someone comment that the 16 MY was a good year for the voodoo. I agree. I had a 16 track pack that never burned a drop of oil. I have had 2 17 Rs that consumed some oil, but nothing near what would require an engine swap. The 18 base R I have has not consumed any oil so far, but it is not driven much so as to keep the miles off it. I take it out on a nice day and enjoy how the car is different from the others.

Back to engine swaps, I don't see what the big deal is. You should be buying these cars to enjoy. If an engine blew, it will be covered by Ford as long as you didn't do anything to cause its failure. I had a long talk with Jim Owens about warranty and how Ford will stand behind materials and workmanship, even for track use. It is the opinion of Jim and Ford that the car should be driven as it was designed to..... to include track use.

So all you folks who got yourself an investor HEP and are scared to death of the engine letting go, don't worry about it. If you are, then either sell your car or tuck it away and never use it. I do strongly suggest getting an 8 year extended warranty.

I have a text into my tech waiting for some of those answers. I did ask him if I could buy the engine, but I don't think that is going to happen.

Hello; I am following this thread and another one about the plasma cylinder lining. Pleas keep posting the information you may gather.

 

[THX 138]

I'll just add that after nearly 5 years in this subforum, I've seen plenty of trolls, and I've become an expert at using the Ignore function built into the forum software. But given Tomster's consistent contributions to this subforum, the idea that anyone is calling him a troll is just absurd.

 

[Tomster]

The engine on the floor that is pictured is replacing an engine with 29,000 miles.

 

[RPDBlueMoon]

Number 8 cylinder is a known issue and thats why they make the crossover oil tubes for the voodoo motor.

What is the issue with cylinder #8?

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