Neighbors complaining about cold start-ups

[Khyber]

The law was quoted in black and white. What's there not to comprehend. You can't just kill someone because they walk into your house unless they are trying to harm you. That's exactly what the law says.

who the hell breaks into a house to say hello? Are you serious? It's called a home invasion buddy. seriously re-read it 100 times and try again. You also speaking to residents of said state who are registered and concealed weapon permit holders.

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[pinero61]

who the hell breaks into a house to say hello? Are you serious? It's called a home invasion buddy. seriously re-read it 100 times and try again. You also speaking to residents of said state who are registered and concealed weapon permit holders.

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CCP ftw!

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[Taneras]

you obviously can't comprehend what you're reading, you also don't live here. If someone is breaking into your home. That is criminal intent(stealing, rape, kidnapping, muder, etc), possible they are going to kill you. The state gives you permission to blow them away. Please re-read the law.

Odd that if the law allowed for the use of deadly force in every circumstance involving an attacker or intruder in your home one wouldn't expect to see "under certain circumstances" and said circumstances listed written in the law.

 

[GT Pony]

who the hell breaks into a house to say hello? Are you serious? It's called a home invasion buddy. seriously re-read it 100 times and try again. You also speaking to residents of said state who are registered and concealed weapon permit holders.

There are all kinds of different scenarios that can happen. Lot's of buglers break in with no weapon - they may not think you are home. Some drunk could come into your house in the middle of the night not realizing he has the wrong house ... all kinds of scenario can happen. You gonna shoot them in the back when try to run without showing any aggression or harm towards you?

Now a full blown violent "home invasion" with masked criminals armed with guns is a totally different case. Or anyone who breaks in with a weapon and is showing any aggression towards harming you.

Do you believe you can smoke anyone who happens to be in your house regardless of their intent? - that's what it sounded like. If it's a "home invasion" like I described above, then hell yeah you can protect yourself with deadly force. But if you just shoot someone because they happen to be in your house with no clear intent to harm you, then you will be prosecuted by the law. It happens quite often because people don't really know the laws.

And just because someone has a CCP doesn't mean they are knowing the law. It's pretty ridiculous when people own guns and don't even know the real laws. It takes a driver's test to get a vehicle license, but anyone that's not a criminal can get a CCP without knowing anything about guns or gun laws.

BTW - I've had a CCP for over 30 years. And I'm not going to shoot someone because they are in my house. But I will say that I will protect myself, and if they show any sign of a weapon and/or any indication they are going to harm me then they will be dealt with deadly force as required. You are only entitled to use deadly force under certain circumstances, even inside your own house, and that's how the SC law reads (as it does in almost every state). If you don't believe it, then you are only risking your own future if you make a bad decision someday with a gun.

 

[TheFaulk]

Lot's of buglers break in with no weapon - they may not think you are home. Some drunk could come into your house in the middle of the night not realizing he has the wrong house ... all kinds of scenario can happen. You gonna shoot them in the back when try to run without showing any aggression or harm towards you?

Got back and read what you said ... you believe you can smoke anyone who happens to be in your house regardless of their intent - that's why I'm responding to your posts, go back and read what you said. You're wrong, and if you just shoot someone because they happen to be in your house with no clear intent to harm you, then you will be prosecuted by the law. It happens quite often because people don't really know the laws.

And just someone has a CCW doesn't mean they are knowing the law. It's pretty ridiculous when people own guns and don't even know the real laws. It takes a driver's test to get a vehicle license, but anyone that's not a criminal can get a CCW permit without knowing anything about guns or gun laws.

BTW - I've had a CCW permit for over 30 years. And I'm not going to shoot someone because they are in my house. But I will say that I will protect myself, and if they show any sign of a weapon and/or any indication they are going to harm me then they will be dealt with deadly force as required. You are only entitled to use deadly force under certain circumstances, even inside your own house, and that how the SC law reads. If you don't believe it, then you are only risking your own future if you make a bad decision someday with a gun.

DANGER: A second requirement is that your assailant must be putting you in danger of "great bodily injury," which the law defines as something that "creates a substantial risk of death or which causes serious, permanent disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member or organ." You're clear to defend yourself with deadly force if your attacker is:

• in the process of unlawfully breaking and entering your home, vehicle, or business, or

• attempting to forcibly remove somebody from your home, vehicle, or business

WHO: You can't shoot somebody who is a lawful resident, owner, lessee, or titleholder of the place you are trying to defend. The law also doesn't protect you if you shoot someone for trying to remove his or her child, grandchild, or other person who is under his or her lawful custody or guardianship. And you can't shoot at an on-duty police officer.


Actually, if they forcibly break into your house they are toast in SC.

Post is from the Charleston paper. Link for you to read for more clarification.
http://m.charlestoncitypaper.com/ch...le-doctrine-means-for-you/Content?oid=4046873

 

[Khyber]

I don't know how else to explain it either. I mean the law is clear cut. I know people this has happened too and never prosecuted because they are protected under law.

 

[GT Pony]

DANGER: A second requirement is that your assailant must be putting you in danger of "great bodily injury," which the law defines as something that "creates a substantial risk of death or which causes serious, permanent disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member or organ." You're clear to defend yourself with deadly force if your attacker is:

• in the process of unlawfully breaking and entering your home, vehicle, or business, or

• attempting to forcibly remove somebody from your home, vehicle, or business

WHO: You can't shoot somebody who is a lawful resident, owner, lessee, or titleholder of the place you are trying to defend. The law also doesn't protect you if you shoot someone for trying to remove his or her child, grandchild, or other person who is under his or her lawful custody or guardianship. And you can't shoot at an on-duty police officer.

Actually, if they forcibly break into your house they are toast in SC.

Post is from the Charleston paper. Link for you to read for more clarification.
http://m.charlestoncitypaper.com/ch...le-doctrine-means-for-you/Content?oid=4046873

Why the hell didn't you post that in your post #249 instead of that one blurb from the law [H.4301 (R412) was signed by the Governor on June 9, 2006] which I was going by? And just for curiosity, is the information in the link above spelled out in actual state law documentation beyond what you showed in post #249? They don't reference any state law code.

So if the info in the link above is correct, then yes it seems you can even just shoot someone if they break into your locked home or even if someone tries to forcefully remove you from your vehicle on the street.

Awesome ... keep those guns loaded! Maybe I'll move to SC.

 

[Khyber]

ok so BACK TO THE EXHAUST! lol

 

[Taneras]

Why the hell didn't you post that in your post #249 instead of that one blurb from the law [H.4301 (R412) was signed by the Governor on June 9, 2006] which I was going by? And just for curiosity, is the information in the link above spelled out in actual state law documentation beyond what you showed in post #249? They don't reference any state law code.

So if the info in the link above is correct, then yes it seems you can even just shoot someone if they break into your locked home or even if someone tries to forcefully remove you from your vehicle on the street.

Awesome ... keep those guns loaded! Maybe I'll move to SC.

If the newspaper has it right, you can shoot a neighbor's teenager who's retrieving a baseball hit through your window on a Saturday in broad daylight. Perhaps that's legal but I have a hard time believing it.

Obviously that's an extreme, but that extreme would fit within the criteria summarized in that newspaper article. So take what it said with a grain of salt. The law that was posted earlier is what's currently on the books and it lists 3 criteria that need to be met in order to be immune from criminal and civil prosecution.

 

[TheFaulk]

If the newspaper has it right, you can shoot a neighbor's teenager who's retrieving a baseball hit through your window on a Saturday in broad daylight. Perhaps that's legal but I have a hard time believing it.



Obviously that's an extreme, but that extreme would fit within the criteria summarized in that newspaper article. So take what it said with a grain of salt. The law that was posted earlier is what's currently on the books and it lists 3 criteria that need to be met in order to be immune from criminal and civil prosecution.

If he breaks in. Yes. If he knocks on your door and asks for it no. Even breaking into your car can get him shot. Breaking and entering is considered a violent crime, and if you are at home here in SC and someone breaks in you have the right to shoot. End of story.


http://m.wistv.com/wistv/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:YpDn5xIQ


Now, please back to the loud exhaust lol. How loud is it on start up really? Can you post a video? And maybe someone post a video of where they said to put it in gear to hear the difference if any?

 

[dubster99]

Officer, he broke in and was coming at me in a threatening manner and said he was going to kill me and my family.

Problem solved. Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 any day of the week. Break into my house and get some 5.56 rounds coming your way.

 

[rvlyssup]

Officer, he broke in and was coming at me in a threatening manner and said he was going to kill me and my family.

Problem solved. Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 any day of the week. Break into my house and get some 5.56 rounds coming your way.

F@ckin A!! :cheers:

See, there still some normal folk out here in Cali not just liber-tards.

Okay. back to the exhaust thing again...

 

[Khyber]

LOL! good to hear!

 

[GT Pony]

If the newspaper has it right, you can shoot a neighbor's teenager who's retrieving a baseball hit through your window on a Saturday in broad daylight. Perhaps that's legal but I have a hard time believing it.

Obviously that's an extreme, but that extreme would fit within the criteria summarized in that newspaper article. So take what it said with a grain of salt. The law that was posted earlier is what's currently on the books and it lists 3 criteria that need to be met in order to be immune from criminal and civil prosecution.

There is still the qualifiers written into the law of: "using deadly force is necessary to prevent death, great bodily injury, or the commission of a violent crime". That's where the disconnect is happening with the guys who claim you can legally shoot just anyone who steps foot in your house.

So the little girl coming into your house to retrieve her lost ball isn't presenting any of that unless she came storming in with a weapon and hell bent to use it. Or she was on PCP and went insane with supernatural strength and tried to choke you to death.

Hard to believe someone got off after shooting a guy who was breaking into a car in the driveway (link in post #280). Might be more to the story than that, like the guy had a weapon and acted aggressive. If the guy was unarmed and running away, I doubt the shooter would have got off, even in SC.

I'm all for protecting yourself, but pretty hard to believe any state would say a shooting is legal when there is no real threat of harm presented. Anyway ... back to the loud exhaust issue, and hopefully nobody gets shot over some loud exhaust! :doh:

 

[Dspec_S550]

have baffles made that can be taken out quickly?

You are a good neighbor though, I would tell them to deal with it...

"its like an alarm clock, you supposed to be up cooking breakfast or somethin...."

for those that dont know the reference.

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