2016 Camaro Official Specs!!!

[Asharus]

i guess that's what i'll tell myself when the camaro comes out. "at least my car was cheaper"

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[RocketGuy3]

i guess that's what i'll tell myself when the camaro comes out. "at least my car was cheaper"

For one thing, that is a legit reason to but one car over another. I mean I think we'd all rather be driving a Ferrari right now... For another, this is cherry-picking at it's finest. That's not the only advantage the Mustang has, at least depending on your priorities and perspective.

I don't know why people feel the need to always have a clear winner in these discussions. Why is it so hard for people to like one car without criticizing another? Humanity is a bizarre organization sometimes.

If you really are that impressed by the Camaro's speed advantage, and that's all that matters to you, then trade in your Mustang for one. I don't see the problem.

 

[Asharus]

I wouldn't be surprised if I'm driving a white 1ss come this spring actually. I really hope not. I was hoping to keep this car 3-5 years

 

[valentinoamoro]

Wow, this thread blows my mind. The differences between the cars I'm sure are incremental and are natural with each generational improvement. Most wont even notice - 50 pounds, 20 HP etc. I doubt Ford would have done the Coyote if the Camaro wasnt looming, etc...

One will never be happy if one wants the latest all the time - that said, the cars can be quickly taken far beyond OEM performance in their vast aftermarkets for cheap it seems which those who care are likely to do. It's not that these cars stay stock in the hands of enthusiasts anyway. But you cant fix the visibility of the Camaro it seems :-) Also, lets see if the Camaro inherits some of the Corvettes issues that at least Car and Driver seem to be facing:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...gray-z51-manual-long-term-test-update-reviews


"WHAT WENT WRONG: Our particular Stingray coupe has been a fickle beast (see our previous updates), and the cold temperatures only served to exacerbate the issues. There’s never a good time for a car’s heating-and-cooling system to conk out, but that’s what our Corvette’s did at about 24,000 miles in the middle of January. The dealer first reflashed the HVAC system’s computer to no avail, and the car eventually required a new control unit to be ordered and installed under warranty, a lengthy process that necessitated taking apart most of the dash.

Shortly thereafter, the rear-axle seals also needed replacing because they were leaking fluid all over the Stingray’s rear subframe—a worrying problem that we noticed only because we had the car on a lift to inspect a loose, dripping oil filter after a recent service visit. Chevrolet says the axle seals in early Stingrays such as ours weren’t fully optimized for the cold weather we were operating our car in but have since been addressed on later models. GM engineers quickly brought out the upgraded seals for the dealer to install, and the seals appear to have held through the rest of the winter. Other warranty fixes performed during this period included replacing the driver’s seat cover after the old one was damaged while replacing the side airbag under a recall, along with correcting a faulty fuel-filler component under another recall. Our only expenses since the Stingray’s last update have been for two scheduled service visits at roughly 22,000 and 30,000 miles. Both were standard oil changes and inspections; the first included a new cabin air filter for a total of $113, and the more significant 30K service came to $254 and included a clutch-fluid change."

"The big LT1 V-8 also takes a while to start—sometimes cranking for up to 12 seconds in cold temps before firing—and shifting the seven-speed manual gearbox can feel like stirring a bag of cement until it warms up properly. What’s more, that shifter has felt increasingly finicky with age. The closely spaced gates are as tricky to navigate as ever, but other, newer Stingrays we’ve driven have exhibited more positive shift action."


"WHAT WENT WRONG: For starters, the LT1 small-block V-8 introduced with the C7 lunched itself at 6000 miles, necessitating a complete replacement under warranty. Our forensics lab was unable to assist in dissecting the matter, but an investigation by GM pinned tentative blame on a piece of metal debris (likely from a bad oil filter) that worked its way into the oiling system and wrecked a connecting-rod bearing, which created even more debris that damaged the engine’s bottom-end. Given the LT1’s tight tolerances and high-performance design, it didn’t take much to upset its workings. We’ve heard of a few similar accounts throughout the Stingray community and GM says it’s aware of the issue and is analyzing its manufacturing process for a root cause. Our car was returned quickly and as healthy as new, but—just to be safe—we sent the car back to the dealer after 1300 engine miles for its first scheduled service at 7500 overall miles. The stop included an oil-and-filter change and inspection for $57.28.

The car returned to the dealer at 15,100 miles for an identical scheduled service, during which the side-airbag module in the passenger seat was also replaced under one of GM’s many recent recalls. Other maladies that befell our Corvette include a punctured rear tire at 13,000 miles—which required us to reshod the rear of the car with a pair of new run-flat 285/30ZR20 Michelin Pilot Super Sport ZPs ($905 for the pair from the Tire Rack)—as well as a sizable chip in the windshield that cost us $50 to seal up."

 

[RocketGuy3]

I wouldn't be surprised if I'm driving a white 1ss come this spring actually. I really hope not. I was hoping to keep this car 3-5 years

If it was this much of an issue for you, can I ask why you didn't just wait until we knew more about the Camaro before making the decision to buy?

Personally, I'm actually more interested in upgrading to Sync 3 than anything else. If Ford makes the magnetic ride and dual mode exhaust available within a model year or two, I might trade in for a new Mustang. The Camaro's performance is nice, but since the Mustang will soon be just a daily driver with only occasional track duty, a couple tenths here and there are not worth $5-7K to me.

 

[OppoLock]

The gen 5 Camaro is 52/48 weight distribution. I wouldn't doubt it if they got this one to 50/50 or very near.

Super unlikely with any portion of that V8 lump hanging over the front axle. I can't think of any FR V8 production cars with less than 51% of the weight biased toward the front.

 

[Niz55]

Is it worth it to take out my springs so I can trade in my car for the new camaro or should I just leave it on?

 

[P4RKER]

I'm baffled that this many people are chewing out ford that the company who released their car after them has one upped them in performance. It's almost as if 50 years of car history has been forgotten on this thread. In 2 years ford will be 5 lbs lighter than the new Camaro with an extra 10 hp then 2 years later camaro does the same and guess what, IT KEEPS GOING. Somehow we hit gen 6 and everyone says "these cars have never gone back and forth in terms of performance clearly whoever releases the best 2016 car wins and the HP war is over." I have never followed a thread this much just for comic relief.

I'm glad camaro continues to raise the bar so we don't end up with another 15+ year period with a barely upgraded engine. As I'm sure camaro guys are glad the mustang brought their car back to existence and has pushed Chevy for better and better performance ever since. It is one hell of a time to be a car guy!!

 

[Asharus]

If it was this much of an issue for you, can I ask why you didn't just wait until we knew more about the Camaro before making the decision to buy?

Personally, I'm actually more interested in upgrading to Sync 3 than anything else. If Ford makes the magnetic ride and dual mode exhaust available within a model year or two, I might trade in for a new Mustang. The Camaro's performance is nice, but since the Mustang will soon be just a daily driver with only occasional track duty, a couple tenths here and there are not worth $5-7K to me.

When I ordered the mustang last summer, there were no other cars that offered anywhere near the bang for buck of 435hp for 32.7 grand with a performance package no less.

Like I said before, if I was shopping for a car at this time, I would have held off and waited. At around this time last year, my fully bolted on wrx already had 80k miles, 60k of which it was modded. I wasn't sure how much longer it was gonna last, since it was making intermittent knocking noises after a warm start.

 

[P4RKER]

I have to ask again. How is the camaro at 37k with 455hp a better bang for the buck than the mustang 33k 435hp? You will never see ANY difference in performance un less you track the car which voids your warranty and removes most fears of modding. When 2 cars start virtually identical pre-mod they have the same end potential (I'm actually being nice the 6.2L is not nearly as friendly in the aftermarket). The only real difference is starting price.

You are clearly in love with the camaro even though you can't articulate why, and that's ok but please go join their pages and leave ours. I'm fine with back and forth but not when it is going absolutely nowhere. All of your arguments have been soundly defeated but you continue to say the same things over and over.

 

[RocketGuy3]

Super unlikely with any portion of that V8 lump hanging over the front axle. I can't think of any FR V8 production cars with less than 51% of the weight biased toward the front.

While I agree that it's unlikely, the C7 Corvette has less than 50% of its weight on the front axle. Of course, that's just a 2-seater, but still. It can be done.

When I ordered the mustang last summer, there were no other cars that offered anywhere near the bang for buck of 435hp for 32.7 grand with a performance package no less.

Like I said before, if I was shopping for a car at this time, I would have held off and waited. At around this time last year, my fully bolted on wrx already had 80k miles, 60k of which it was modded. I wasn't sure how much longer it was gonna last, since it was making intermittent knocking noises after a warm start.

Well if you're always going to be upset when the next thing comes out and inevitably 1-ups the current thing, you might as well wait a couple years. The GT will likely be faster again by then. Or you can just buy a GT350 right now, since price apparently doesn't matter to you. ;)

 

[P4RKER]

The vette being a 2 seater allows its engine to sit significantly further back than the 4 seater camaro and mustang ever could and still have a functioning trunk. The corvette is only 8 inches short than both pony cars and has almost the same.trunk space. That remaining difference is all hood pushing the engine into the middle of the car.

The corvette has also taken some rather extreme steps towards weight reduction that a sub 50k car just can't do which enables them to put weight wherever needed to optimize distribution.

 

[Fox5.0]

Is it worth it to take out my springs so I can trade in my car for the new camaro or should I just leave it on?

So worth it, I'll pick them off you for cheap too!

 

[Asharus]

I have to ask again. How is the camaro at 37k with 455hp a better bang for the buck than the mustang 33k 435hp? You will never see ANY difference in performance un less you track the car which voids your warranty and removes most fears of modding. When 2 cars start virtually identical pre-mod they have the same end potential (I'm actually being nice the 6.2L is not nearly as friendly in the aftermarket). The only real difference is starting price.

You are clearly in love with the camaro even though you can't articulate why, and that's ok but please go join their pages and leave ours. I'm fine with back and forth but not when it is going absolutely nowhere. All of your arguments have been soundly defeated but you continue to say the same things over and over.

i sure hope this isn't directed towards me. but if it is let me make a few points.

my only requirement for the mustang was the PP. i believe mine stickered at 35,5, and i was able to order it at 32,7. i'm sure if i waited until the car was actually in showroom floors, it would've been even cheaper. i know at some point the same car could be had close to 30k.

the only requirement for a camaro for me would be the dual mode exhaust, which will bring the price up to 38k ish. i'm not sure how chevy dealers are with pricing, but i'm guessing a camaro that stickers for 38k can be had for 35 or below. to me, that's worth the extra 2.3k.

sure, you can put a full header-back system, intake, tune etc on a mustang and maybe it will be faster than a stock SS, but i'm done modding cars.

the only mod i've done to my GTPP is a catback, because for some reason ford decided that the 5.0 shouldn't sound like a 5.0 from the assembly line. which reminds me that i have to add 1,100 to the price of the GTPP...

Well if you're always going to be upset when the next thing comes out and inevitably 1-ups the current thing, you might as well wait a couple years. The GT will likely be faster again by then. Or you can just buy a GT350 right now, since price apparently doesn't matter to you. ;)

yep, i will try my hardest to stick to my plan and keep the car 3-5 years. the camaro will make it pretty difficult for me though.

 

[Bigt84]

.1-2 advantage for 16ss vs gt ?

The cars currently run almost even in head to head same driver same day comparisons and hero times are currently .1 apart.

200 lb loss, +30 hp, +35 tq, +8speed auto, + better power under curve matching ls7 to 5k, + better gearing, + better aerodynamics.... Compared to a gen 5 ls3 that is already nearly equal to the s550.

This only equals .1-2?

We will wait and see. Just a hunch I wouldn't bank on that.

My guess for when they are all tested together same track same day all autos.

16 SS- 12.4
16 scat pack-12.6
16 gt-12.8

Pick your poison none of them are slow.

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