Why not a 5.9L Coyote?

[Hack]

The re-released 6.4 liter V8 Durango sold out very quickly and there's a big backlog of orders. Dodge can't sell the new EV Charger. They are sitting on dealer lots unsold for over a year, many of them. The 6 cylinder turbo versions aren't doing well either. The best thing car manufacturers can do is listen to the customer and build what their customers want.

We are all here on a website discussing a car that can come with a V8. I personally do not go on any websites to talk about EVs, because mostly they are not interesting to me.

Predicting the future years down the road is tough. Building and selling what people want right now isn't nearly as difficult. Car companies can all see what sells right now and what doesn't.

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[engineermike]

Brian Wolfe hit the nail on the head in one of his interviews. He said the oems/govt went all-in on electric too soon. The only practical solution currently is plug-in hybrids. They check all the boxes but were more-or-less skipped over in the premature rush to electric.

Since most of your driving is commuting near home they function as electric cars most of the time. But when you need extra power or range you have a gas engine. You also wouldn’t need public charging stations and the inconvenience caused by that situation.

 

[80FoxCoupe]

Isn't someone working on a new godzilla cylinder head? I wouldn't mind trying one of these engines.

 

[zackmd1]

Isn't someone working on a new godzilla cylinder head? I wouldn't mind trying one of these engines.

That would be great as long as it actually had a performance benefit! The current cnc ported heads don’t do much for how much they cost…

 

[zackmd1]

Brian Wolfe hit the nail on the head in one of his interviews. He said the oems/govt went all-in on electric too soon. The only practical solution currently is plug-in hybrids. They check all the boxes but were more-or-less skipped over in the premature rush to electric.

Since most of your driving is commuting near home they function as electric cars most of the time. But when you need extra power or range you have a gas engine. You also wouldn’t need public charging stations and the inconvenience caused by that situation.

Depends on the type of hybrid we are talking about… There is one that is firmly rooted in the past with little benefits for everyday use and one that can support future advances.

Most current plug ins simply slap an electric motor between the engine and transmission. Adds complexity and typically have very short EV only ranges and reduced power while in EV mode. The other is an EREV where the platform is EV and the gas engine is just there to power a generator, no mechanical connection to the wheels. These have much longer EV only ranges and provide the benefits of both. And it sets up the automaker for a future transition to EV only once infrastructure and battery tech catch up.

An AWD EREV Mustang with a 4.0L coyote and 800hp would be fun…. Simplify the coyote, drop displacement, and have a fun control system that would allow for simulated shifts or something…

 

[80FoxCoupe]

That would be great as long as it actually had a performance benefit! The current cnc ported heads don’t do much for how much they cost…

I'm almost certain in one of the Steve Morris vids, he said someone is working on it more info later.

 

[engineermike]

@zackmd1 even with a short ev-only range and reduced power, the vast majority of driving is done close to home and at light load so even in that case accomplishes the end-goals of both sides.

 

[robvas]

The Dark Horse is already a couple gallons of gas away from 4,000lbs. You want to add another 3-400lbs of battery and electric motor to that? And probably another $10,000?

Also, where does it go? It's not like the E-Ray where you have a frunk to put that stuff.

 

[zackmd1]

The Dark Horse is already a couple gallons of gas away from 4,000lbs. You want to add another 3-400lbs of battery and electric motor to that? And probably another $10,000?

Also, where does it go? It's not like the E-Ray where you have a frunk to put that stuff.

A complete supercharger system including heat exchangers adds about 150-200lbs to a vehicle… The hybrid system in the E-Ray adds about 200-300lbs so not a drastic difference… And there is definitely room to fit a ~15kwh battery pack and Ford had a patent not to long ago for dual electric motors mounted to the oil pan of a coyote…

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