Dark Horse SC, who's adding one, who's replacing with one, what will it do to GT500 values?

[OX1]

Even just Mustang GT4 would have been much better, and along their "new lineage" direction.

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[ShadesOfBloo]

...Looks like the Dark Horse SC is just the S650 version of the same car, albeit with no Shelby tie in and a very stupid (IMHO) name.

It's not just your opinion: Most of us who didn't like the "Dark Horse" name still don't.

The Shelby tie-in on the GT500 wasn't that big a deal, was it? The tie-in was Carroll Shelby's estate giving Ford permission the use the name. Same as the GT350.
I know people get excited about that, but I don't understand why.
...And I still think it's a better name than the Dork Horse.

 

[JT1]

I get your point. I disliked that the GT350 and GT500 were named that as I felt that as little as the car had to do with CS, it was enough for a lot of people. Causing them to be harder to get at a good price vs the old Cobra moniker of the Fox and SN95 cars.

now that I perceive I already paid extra to have Shelby on the car, I hope it continues to be worth something. At least I got to participate in SAAC-49 with it.

my definition of a “real” Shelby is much more restricted than most, really I feel if the car never went to Venice CA to be worked on, it’s just a badge. I hope to have a 65 or 66 before I depart the big rock, lol.

 

[Epiphany]

my definition of a “real” Shelby is much more restricted than most, really I feel if the car never went to Venice CA to be worked on, it’s just a badge.

To be fair, by '69-'70 Shelby himself felt the same way.

 

[Strokerswild]

To be fair, by '69-'70 Shelby himself felt the same way.

'68 also.

 

[JT1]

'68 also.

AO Smith doesn’t have the same ring to It as Shelby, lol.

 

[Tomster]

I like the carbon ceramic brakes. Maybe I can get a set that will work on the 500

 

[WItoTX]

There's already ways to get CCB on the S550s now. End up with a lighter caliper, more pad, and obviously the lighter rotor.

Unless stock for stock swap is the end goal.

 

[Tomster]

There's already ways to get CCB on the S550s now. End up with a lighter caliper, more pad, and obviously the lighter rotor.

Unless stock for stock swap is the end goal.

OEM only. Those were rigorously tested on almost the same car (weight and performance). I was strongly advised by Billy Johnson to not get involved in aftermarket CC brakes, especially the way I drive at Daytona. Im sure they won't be cheap, but its the price to pay.

The question is can you even get them....

 

[MAGS1]

OEM only. Those were rigorously tested on almost the same car (weight and performance). I was strongly advised by Billy Johnson to not get involved in aftermarket CC brakes, especially the way I drive at Daytona. Im sure they won't be cheap, but its the price to pay.

The question is can you even get them....

Ford Performance made the 350/350R brakes available as a kit for the lower trims. The 500 brakes were never made available like that, so I would venture to guess the DHSC CC brakes will follow the 500. You’ll probably need a VIN and will have to go through the dealership. And then there’s the question of fitment on the 500. When the DHSC wheel specs come out, that will give you a good gauge as far as clearance with the wheels. FWIW, the Brembo package on S650 GT’s have a larger rotor (15.5”) than the S550 (15”). I would assume the DHSC rotor sizes are similar to the GT500 but there’s a chance they tweaked those too

 

[Tomster]

Ford Performance made the 350/350R brakes available as a kit for the lower trims. The 500 brakes were never made available like that, so I would venture to guess the DHSC CC brakes will follow the 500. You’ll probably need a VIN and will have to go through the dealership. And then there’s the question of fitment on the 500. When the DHSC wheel specs come out, that will give you a good gauge as far as clearance with the wheels. FWIW, the Brembo package on S650 GT’s have a larger rotor (15.5”) than the S550 (15”). I would assume the DHSC rotor sizes are similar to the GT500 but there’s a chance they tweaked those too

I have friends who can confirm all that and probably get around the VIN issue as well. In the past, Ford's solution to keeping people from buying parts for the wrong car has been to price them out of reach of the 5 liter guys.

We'll see.

 

[Epiphany]

Diameter is a match to previous GT500. Rotor/hat offset is likely to be identical as well. Still trying to ascertain pad information as well as caliper. In the end, it'll be asked of Ford/FR and they will offer up all the standard disclaimers.

Assuming physical fitment is a non-issue, it'll then come down to whether or not a given calibration will or will not be necessary. If FR thinks they can put together a kit and turn a profit, they will. I suspect the take rate would be extremely low though, given what will likely be a very expensive kit.

 

[WItoTX]

Agree with ^^^...Most guys regularly tracking cars are ditching CCBs and going to steel just due to cost. At least in my small world. Very few go the other way, especially at the GT/350/500/M1/C7/C8 price point.

BUT, I would hazard a guess a guy could tune the brakes himself, and probably copy directly from the S650 DHSC logic? I honestly have no idea how easy or hard that would be. Probably easier to just go to Bosch LOL

 

[btown93]

@Epiphany these new S650s use an Electronic Brake Booster and S550 uses vacuum boost, I wonder how that would impact usage on S550 GT500

 

[SheepDog]

Oh look, a catch can/crank case breather system that is in no way connected to the intake manifold or OEM PCV system. Blasphemy. I've been told by so many experts on here that the engine was sure to explode if the OEM PCV system is not intact. I guess Ford thinks otherwise.

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