If we pretend the Mustang is a 911? (Just humor me)

[Nickel]

Not sure how many of you are Porsche guys, but I was thinking if the 911 is to Porsche what the Mustang is to Ford, where would you rank it in comparison?

Pretty much only talking about S550's here

GT2RS = GT500 for sure
GT3RS? Kind of hard since no NA car for DCT but it would have to fall under the Mach 1 HP and GT350R since the M1 HP holds the lightning lap record for manual S550's at VIR but the GT350 has an engine closer to Porsche's 4L.

Mach 1 non HP = ST? Touring?

Any GTPP = 991 Touring?

V6's and ecoboosts = More kind of like Cayman GTS 2.5 or something? Carreras are too fast, Idk lol

Wanted to see if you guys had ever try to make that comparison. Since Ford is literally competing with GT3's now with the Mustang. I know the GTD should be the GT3 RS but GT3RS is NA and about the same hp as Gen 4 coyote DH engine. So the GTD is like a GT2 RS Weissach with Manthey Kit.

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[MachNroll]

Not sure how many of you are Porsche guys, but I was thinking if the 911 is to Porsche what the Mustang is to Ford, where would you rank it in comparison?

Pretty much only talking about S550's here

GT2RS = GT500 for sure
GT3RS? Kind of hard since no NA car for DCT but it would have to fall under the Mach 1 HP and GT350R since the M1 HP holds the lightning lap record for manual S550's at VIR but the GT350 has an engine closer to Porsche's 4L.

Mach 1 non HP = ST? Touring?

Any GTPP = 991 Touring?

V6's and ecoboosts = More kind of like Cayman GTS 2.5 or something? Carreras are too fast, Idk lol

Wanted to see if you guys had ever try to make that comparison. Since Ford is literally competing with GT3's now with the Mustang. I know the GTD should be the GT3 RS but GT3RS is NA and about the same hp as Gen 4 coyote DH engine. So the GTD is like a GT2 RS Weissach with Manthey Kit.

I have compared Mustangs to Chargers and Camaros and Corvettes because they are all American made performance vehicles of similar capabilities for the most part.

I landed with Mustangs because for my money, the V8 powered Mustangs, when well equipped, offer the best bang for the buck and all-around capability. This all being said; I have not and do not plan to compare a Porche to a Mustang. I'm not a Porche guy, not into non-American performance vehicles, and while the quality of Porches or other European (performance) vehicles in my opinion is quite good, I simply like American V8 powered Mustangs, and half my t-shirt inventory reference Mustangs, and I'm a proud owner of a Mach 1.

And, one of my favorite memories of being a Mach 1 owner was when I was sitting at a red light and a guy driving a garbage truck lost his mind he was so excited to see a Mach 1. Yelling and hollering at a crowded intersection that he is seeing a real Mach 1. So, no, I don't compare it to a Porche.

Safe motoring, sir.

 

[Gilberjj]

I have made that very comparison in my mind… Porsche is a fine brand and they drive wonderfully. I had the joy of driving a 2018 911 on the autobahn this summer.
I have a gt350r and I wonder how close it resembles a GT4 or GT3… hopefully I get to find out.

 

[Paul McWhiskey]

Unless they are outlaws I don’t find them interesting. And the owners even less.

 

[9secondko]

I like Porsche. I like the engineering thst goes into them, the performance they can get out of so little, and the commitment to their design ethos, only changing what’s absolutely necessary.

outside of that, I have never been into Porsche. At all. The Mustang is where it’s at.

American v8 power, great handling, and sleek yet rugged good looks.

the last gen gt500 was a fantastic performer, the new sc whatever thing will be as well. And they’ll do it for a fraction of Porsche money.

 

[G.T.]

...to me, Porsche vehicles look like frogs on wheels. The mustang looks like an automotive weapon in most iterations.

It isnt the frog looking one that likes to wheel hop though lol!

Like many here I do appreciate both.

 

[xXANCHORMONXx]

I’ve owned my 16 GT350 since new and now a GT4RS.

I tracked the absolute piss out of my GT350 and then I mistakenly drove a 991 GT3.

There is no comparison.

I recently put my GT350 back to stockish, put back seats in it and now can take my kids to school with it. It’s a blast, I really do love this car and don’t see myself getting rid of it.

I purchased the GT4RS as a track only car and it is phenomenal.

I’ve learned a lot driving the GT350 on the track and IMO, the GT350/6G platform really turns you into a good driver as you have to work at it. In the Porsche you become a great driver.

For the street, GT350/GT500 and now all of the new variants are amazing.

 

[sk47]

Hello; Wow. I first thought the thread would be about a comparison of features and driving experiences. Oh well.
My second thought was maybe a discussion of bang for the buck.
My plan was to compare front engine layout compared to rear engine layout. Then I planned to try to be clever and throw in mid-engine layouts.


But one of my goals the last many years has been to buy American made when I can find such. Back in 1991 I bought a Nissan Sentra SE-R. My understanding back then was that Sentra had more USA made parts than the Ford Crown Vic of the time. The Sentra was also made in TN at the time.

I failed in 2002 when I bought a 2001 Sentra because i did not keep up with current events and only later found out the Sentra's were then made in Mexico. You may know, the great sucking sound Ross Perot warned us about Too bad he did not persist.

Currently the only USA vehicle I consider is a Mustang. The pickups have cylinder deactivation so no thanks.

I had a 1972 Porsche 914 back in the 1970's. I learned to appreciate a lightweight good handling car. I did a lot of mechanic work on a friend's 1972 911T. The 911 was faster but I liked the 914 better overall.
Porsche lost my enthusiasm for two reasons. One was the way they handled the MDS bearing fiasco. The other when they dropped the flat six in the Cayman.

Now if Ford will do away with the touch screens, put a real handbrake back in, make a spare and Tremic manual standard and take the Mustang name off of that EV it would be even better. But as it is it beats a 911 for looks, sounds and bang for the buck.

 

[WItoTX]

Think some of you are missing the assignment. OP, with regards to the GTD competing with the P cars, keep in mind they run BOP rules, so that competition in IMSA/WEC is actually competitive. Take a stock GT3RS, put it on track with a GTD, they will definitely mix it up. The difference is driving style. Listen to reviewers, and they will say the GT3RS is almost boring to drive. Where as the GTD is wildly exciting. The GTD also has 800 HP, to the GT3RS 500 hp. So they aren't like for like, and if they were, the GT3RS would spank the GTD.

That said:
GT2RS - Ford GT
GT3RS - GTD
GT4RS (I know not a 911) - GT500
GT3 - Probably still GT500, could argue the GT350
GTS - GT350/M1HP

I don't know much about the rest of the trim levels. But that would be how I look at it. What saves the big American is HP. What saves the P car is aero and weight.

I've been weighing the P car option for some time now (GT3/4RS). As I get older, I like the idea more and more, especially when it's parked alongside my GT350.

 

[GTP]

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There is no comparison.
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I’ve learned a lot driving the GT350 on the track and IMO, the GT350/6G platform really turns you into a good driver as you have to work at it. In the Porsche [GT4RS] you become a great driver.
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Isn't your Porsche much easier to drive fast on track?

 

[Nickel]

I have compared Mustangs to Chargers and Camaros and Corvettes because they are all American made performance vehicles of similar capabilities for the most part.

I landed with Mustangs because for my money, the V8 powered Mustangs, when well equipped, offer the best bang for the buck and all-around capability. This all being said; I have not and do not plan to compare a Porche to a Mustang. I'm not a Porche guy, not into non-American performance vehicles, and while the quality of Porches or other European (performance) vehicles in my opinion is quite good, I simply like American V8 powered Mustangs, and half my t-shirt inventory reference Mustangs, and I'm a proud owner of a Mach 1.

And, one of my favorite memories of being a Mach 1 owner was when I was sitting at a red light and a guy driving a garbage truck lost his mind he was so excited to see a Mach 1. Yelling and hollering at a crowded intersection that he is seeing a real Mach 1. So, no, I don't compare it to a Porche.

Safe motoring, sir.

People get super excited about my Mach 1 HP as well. It was my dream car since 21, but i do believe the Mustang is to Ford as the 911 is to Porsche.

 

[SheepDog]

I never understood the comparison of vehicles that are dramatically different in price. Comparing a GT350 with any 911, or a GT4 is ridiculous. The Porsche's should absolutely mop the floor with a GT350, and if they don't they aren't worth the money. (Stock for stock - of course the rules change when modifications enter the chat)

Sure, the GTD costs 300k, and so it should be compared to a 300k Porsche. (Rumor has it that Porsche will be re-introducing the GT2RS) but even a brand new 911 Turbo S costs that.

Horsepower alone is not a defining metric. All of the other details that make a Porsche so fast and predictable, are what make it so expensive, and what enable it to be so fast on a track. Chassis, suspension, transmission (especially the PDK) brakes, and so on.

On the street, the Porsche's are just much nicer cars. Better build quality, better materials, much nicer interiors.

The Mustang (in any trim) is a great value in terms of performance.

 

[xXANCHORMONXx]

Isn't your Porsche much easier to drive fast on track?

Absolutely, over the years I’ve read reviews that they would describe the driving characteristics on track for a Mustang as a sledgehammer and a Porsche as a scalpel. That’s probably the best way I could say it as well.

I also previously owned a Cayman GTS with the 4 L flat six and that was also a monster at the track.

After bringing my Shelby back to “stockish” it’s very evident that the GT 350 out of the box is much closer to a street car than a race car. It is by far more comfortable than both Porsche’s on the street and is honestly more enjoyable to drive over rough roads, even though there is some tram lining that’s inherent.

 

[GTP]

Absolutely, over the years I’ve read reviews that they would describe the driving characteristics on track for a Mustang as a sledgehammer and a Porsche as a scalpel. That’s probably the best way I could say it as well.

I also previously owned a Cayman GTS with the 4 L flat six and that was also a monster at the track.

After bringing my Shelby back to “stockish” it’s very evident that the GT 350 out of the box is much closer to a street car than a race car. It is by far more comfortable than both Porsche’s on the street and is honestly more enjoyable to drive over rough roads, even though there is some tram lining that’s inherent.

I like my Mustang as a daily and vacay car because of the comfort and trunk. I modified it to hold up on track and it is fun to drive with just a touch of "white knuckle".

I think a Miata or P9xx would be easy to drive fast. Which is why I am confused when some guys claim that those cars would make me a better driver.

 

[Strokerswild]

I'm a fan of the P-car, and had a blast behind the wheel of the (very) few that I have been fortunate enough to drive. A 911 Turbo S has been an ultimate dream car of mine for a long time, but it's been apparent that this lowly mechanical engineer will likely never own a new one. (A Cayman GTS 4.0, maybe.)

So, Mustangs it is.

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