10 Speed Owners... please talk to me...

[CrazyHippie]

I finely figured out how my car wants to be driven when in any mode other than normal. Normal mode in my car shifts nicely.

In any sport mode the trick for me was first, reset the BMS, that seems to reset the learned shifting as well. Then don't leave from a traffic light right behind the car in front of you. Wait for about 3 car lengths between it and you which will allow the transmission to shift normally as you speed up. If you are too close to the car ahead of you and you need to lift off the gas the rpm will hang for a bit and then slam into the next gear. That becomes what the tranny "learns". Since I did that mine isn't anywhere near as bad as before I did this.

You make a really good point:

"I finely figured out how my car wants to be driven...."

In my experience, properly operating the 10R80 takes time to learn as a driver. The computer reacts uniquely to both throttle and brake inputs, especially in the sportier modes. You do need to get a feel for how it reacts and then control the throttle and brakes accordingly. There's nothing cooler than those downhill corner downshifts with throttle blipping that it'll do under firm braking!

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[Son of SVO]

I enjoy mine just fine

Same here. I now have 85k on this car and no complaints with the transmission. I will say that very early on the operation could be clunky and sometimes abrupt but after around 10k miles it was great. I think another factor was one driver, operating the car consistently. It's really interesting how we owners have such different experiences with this transmission.

 

[Paddles]

Mine clunks downshifting into 3rd and I think it identifies as a CVT. I hate the CVT feel so I drive almost exclusively with the paddles. It can be laggy paddling down but when paddling up under power the shifts are almost instant. Stock, no tune.

 

[MachNroll]

So I've owned the car since last January, and the praise about how good the 10 speeds are, is one of the factors that drove me to purchase this over other competitors, and i have to say, this transmission is almost as bad if not worse than the 8l90 in my 2017 Camaro ss

*Harsh engagement from P to D(hits my head against the headrest sometimes)
*The kickdown in all drive modes is very delayed when you floor it and downshifts on its own
*Paddles are extremely delayed most of the time (2-3 second delay in response)
*Lots of clunkiness especially between 1-3
*Takes a large amount of throttle input to downshift especially when merging onto a highway
*It hunts a lot for gears at times, every and all shifts are never smooth and snappy

My car is a 2019 10r80, I've seen other 10 speeds in videos and other owners and their transmissions are super snappy, quick, and buttery smooth to where you don't even notice its shifting, almost DCT/10 Speed ZL1 like quickness and smoothness(Having driven the 10 speed ZL1 and CT5V Blackwing at my work, these 10 speeds are light years ahead of mine. What is wrong with my transmission? fluid checked out and isn't low, just slightly brown. Done the adaptive transmission learn table thing and even stopped it all together using forscan.

I went from a Mach 1 manual to a Mach 1 HP auto. First time in Sport Mode on a downhill twistie and I was like WTF! Just a little braking and suddenly I got rapid really firm downshifts. I thought I had made a big mistake getting an auto. But then I learned that it sensed my driving and adjusted accordingly. Mellow around town driving and it purrs along. Hit the twisties with more aggressive acceleration and braking, the transmission acts accordingly with more pronounced shifts. 1.5 years later and I'm as happy as a clam in sand.

 

[S550HPP]

A COBB or Ford tune changes everything to positive even aftermarket trans tune well worth it.

 

[Crew4991]

Anyone who thinks they are weak has clearly never owned a 700r4, 2004r, 4l60, aod, th350, c4, the list goes on. I’m putting over 900 rwhp through a stock 10r80 and have been for some time. Any of the aforementioned transmissions wouldn’t have survived one hit at this power level.

I'm not saying the transmission can't handle horsepower—it does that just fine. What I mean by 'weak' is when it comes to longevity and reliability. They went overboard engineering it to boost fuel economy, and as a result, you're probably looking at replacing it 4 or 5 times over the car's lifespan. That kind of thing just doesn't fly with me, therefore I see it being weak (again, not in terms of performance).

 

[Robottrainer]

I'm not saying the transmission can't handle horsepower—it does that just fine. What I mean by 'weak' is when it comes to longevity and reliability. They went overboard engineering it to boost fuel economy, and as a result, you're probably looking at replacing it 4 or 5 times over the car's lifespan. That kind of thing just doesn't fly with me, therefore I see it being weak (again, not in terms of performance).

You will only do it once if you have it rebuilt with good clutches, steels, the updated drum and "trash can", and a few other pieces in the trans and valve body. If you get a Ford reman or new you'll get some of the upgrades but not the clutches. I hope I win the lottery before mine needs an overhaul. I'll getting too old to rip one of these out of the car. That's the hardest part. Rebuilding it yourself is nothing if you have the correct tools, instructions and patience.

 

[qwiknotch]

With my car, it actually drove better after I reset the kam and then made a full pass down the street in sport mode.

After the converter, it doesnt matter what I do lol

 

[Gen 6 Mach1]

A lot has to do with the tuning of the trans. The vast majority of aftermarket tunes modify stuff that makes no difference and then make stuff worse that ought be left alone. I can list all sorts of examples but most in the tuning world don’t have a clue how the clutches and pressures are actually determined and controlled or how the adaptive works. It’s also quite popular to get rid of shift torque modulation but I keep that in place and even add it into character 2/drag mode when forced inducted.

Definitely sounds like you are very knowledgeable and only tune what needs to be , and leave the rest alone . As for the guy I referenced,I have not idea what he had on not had tuned to his stock transmission.
Thank you for adding the information to this Thread .
For me I'm stock and had all my fun many years ago Drag racing, now at 70 I can't do a lot of the work to accomplish what you have done . So I look good with the Mach , and have a little fun now and again .

 

[Gen 6 Mach1]

With my car, it actually drove better after I reset the kam and then made a full pass down the street in sport mode.

After the converter, it doesnt matter what I do lol

Hi to understand what is the KAM ?

 

[Gen 6 Mach1]

Same here. I now have 85k on this car and no complaints with the transmission. I will say that very early on the operation could be clunky and sometimes abrupt but after around 10k miles it was great. I think another factor was one driver, operating the car consistently. It's really interesting how we owners have such different experiences with this transmission.

Very nice to hear and 85k is awesome longevity, how many times have you had the trans serviced , if any ?

 

[Mustangpursuit]

My FP calibration solved all my A10 quirks a year later after I got the car new and still smooth after 6 years on the tune.

 

[Jccams]

I bought my 2019 GT A10 from original owner in March. The original owner did the FP cai and tune at 3500 miles. I have no comparison, but it drives great. In D it is so smooth you hardly know it's shifting. In S it wants to be driven more aggressively but responds perfectly. Sport +S and track mode it wants to be driven even more aggressively, too much for the street. S mode is perfect for me, I love the transmission.

 

[engineermike]

@CrazyHippie and @MachNroll what you guys are experiencing is called "upshift backout inhibit". Basically, when you meet certain thresholds it goes into an alternative shift schedule that holds the engine at high rpm for a time period after you let off the throttle. The upshift after a backout is inhibited, and the rpm setpoints and times are all tunable. Ford uses this for towing in the F150 as well, just not set as aggressively as it is for Sport mode in the Mustang. To be clear, this isn't part of the adaptive strategy, which has more to do with accommodating production tolerances and wear.

Dodge/Ram keep a score of how aggressive the driver is and adjust shift points and firmness based on that but that’s not how ford works.

 

[qwiknotch]

Hi to understand what is the KAM ?

KAM is the keep alive memory. All the learned behavior the car learns over time. I have hp tuners or you can use an sct tuner or other handheld and clear the kam.

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