Sponsored

What's In DFB's Cabinet?

Evolvd

Instigator
Joined
Jan 19, 2015
Threads
186
Messages
6,865
Reaction score
5,868
Location
Northwest Florida
First Name
Brian
Vehicle(s)
2021 Shelby GT500
After I detailed this 2012 Toyota Landcruiser back in April, I noted that the headlights were needing attention due to heavy oxidation and crazing. The owners have been using the vehicle more and more for caravan towing, doing some big distances in the process. I mentioned the headlights weren't very roadworthy in that condition and would probably need to be addressed at some point.

This image from April doesn't fully depict just how bad they were..............

IMG-4963.webp


Initially, I suggested the headlights could be polished out to buy some time, but the results would be short lived. Oxidation like this returns within a few months due to the degradation of the UV coating that is baked into the plastic at the factory. In the end, rather than investing time and money into something that would only yield short-term results, they decided to have the headlights replaced.

So, two brand new genuine Toyota headlights were installed yesterday. This was not a quick replacement, the job also involved removing that huge steel bull bar. With the bar out of the way, they could then remove the grill and truncated plastic bumper, which then gave access the headlight mounting hardware. So, two brand new genuine headlights, plus all of the labour to remove and re-install the bull bar, there wasn't much change out of $2000.

Before they took the vehicle in for this work, I asked if they could keep the old headlights so that I could have a go at re-finishing them. But when I went to pick them up this morning, I discovered just how truly massive these things are! When fitted to the vehicle, the headlight size is disguised by the sheer massiveness of the Landcruiser itself.

First off, I taped up the bulb locators to prevent getting moisture inside the lens. I then took some Green Star and a brush to clean off 13-years worth of dirt and grime from behind the unit and around the edges. For reference, this vehicle has been parked outdoors its whole life.

IMG-6813.webp


Again, the camera hides how bad they are. While the oxidation covered the entire lens, the top edge facing toward the sky had become yellowed and crazed. Now, I knew I wouldn't get all of that out, not unless I disassembled the entire headlight unit, and that wasn't happening.

IMG-6819.webp


IMG-6822.webp


IMG-6823.webp


IMG-6825.webp


IMG-6826.webp


IMG-6829.webp


I normally just polish headlights like this. In most cases a set of passes with a wool pad and a heavy compound knocks down the oxidation, then a pass with a finishing polish on a foam pad cleans them up. You won't get perfection, but considering how quick and simple this method is, the results are hardly disappointing.

IMG-4017.webp


IMG-4081.webp


jan21256.webp


jan21257.webp


As a general rule of thumb, you should never polish headlights unless needed. Just like paint, the more you polish, the more UV clear coating you remove, which in turn speeds up the decline. The thing is, if your headlights are showing signs yellowing or have a cloudy finish, that means the UV coating has already began to fail. In which case, polish away...............or replace them.

Just know that because the coating is compromised, the damage will continue to return, and return faster and faster after each polishing. The only way to stop this would be to lock in the finish with a clear coat or PPF. However, achieving a flat/uniform finish with clear coat is virtually impossible on headlights, and PPF is not always a readily available option for many. Also, ceramic coatings and dedicated headlight sealants only delay the inevitable, I know because I've tried them all.

On this occasion, I wanted to use these headlights as a learning platform, in particular wet sanding. This method requires considerably more time and effort, but is often required when the oxidation has progressed beyond what polishing alone can achieve. Also, if the UV clear coat has begun peeling or the headlight has a patchy look, wet sanding is your only option. In this situation, wet sanding will remove the remainder of the UV coating, in turn leveling the finish down to bare, smooth plastic.

First step, I stared with 400 grit. For lubrication during the whole sanding process, I used P&S Absolute at 128:1.

IMG-6831.webp


IMG-6830.webp


From there, I worked my way through 1000, 2000 and 4000 grit. In hindsight, I would probably start with 600 or 800 grit in the future.

IMG-6836.webp


IMG-6838.webp


The image directly above was taken after the 4000 grit. It was then time for polishing. I started with Sonax Cutmax on a Rupes blue wool, the most aggressive combo I have. From here, I switched to Sonax Perfect Finish on a ShineMate orange foam pad. This was my first time using the EB212, and wow, this thing is brilliant! Pad stall? What pad stall?

IMG-6844.webp


The side-by-side comparison is night and day!

IMG-6848.webp


IMG-6850.webp


Some crazing remains, which is locked inside the lens.

IMG-6856.webp


IMG-6865.webp


IMG-6858.webp


IMG-6861.webp


The process was then repeated for the second headlight. At some point, I'll ceramic coat them to provide at least some UV protection. Having said that, they won't be going back on the car anyway.

This was my first attempt at wet sanding headlights, so the finished result is far from perfect. In the future, having another grade or two of sand paper would likely produce a better finish. But as I said, I was using these as a learning tool, the owners knew this as well.

But, clearly I did a good enough job because the owners were impressed with the night and day before result. I was then told I could keep or sell them.
I’d be curious to leave one outside and one in your garage for a year or two and see how they hold up after your work. Or maybe ceramic coat one and leave the other one bare.
Sponsored

 

Bronco2fan

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 11, 2018
Threads
2
Messages
101
Reaction score
113
Location
Ft. Hood, Texas
Vehicle(s)
2013 Taurus SHO LMS V11 Tune, 2006 F150 Harley-Davidson, 03 Mustang GT Conv.
That's a very good result for a first try. Headlights on my Audi Q-7 are trashed, inside and out. 1200 bucks each for replacement. Kills me. Haven't replaced yet. Same deal on my SHO, 800 bucks each. And tariffs just made them cost more. Oh well, maybe a winter project lol.
 

lo-fi

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2023
Threads
3
Messages
442
Reaction score
831
Location
NE TN
Vehicle(s)
2018 Mustang GT (Zero Options, Orange Fury)
Cerakote kit on headlights not as bad, but I was impressed. It has now been many months and holding strong. I've also used 2k clear on another car. Good results, but much more work.

IMG_6633.JPG




IMG_6634.JPG
 
Last edited:

FKE SNK

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 22, 2021
Threads
2
Messages
159
Reaction score
352
Location
St. Louis
First Name
Cam
Vehicle(s)
2020 GT350, 93 Cobra clone
This line in the ADS product description is what says a lot for me......................................

Durability: 15,000+ miles or 1+ years real world tested (lab tested for over double, our competitors would claim this)

In theory that would mean you apply the ADS coating less often, and therefore account for some of the additional cost.

My distant second choice would be C5 Wheel Armour.
Bought some ADS wheel for a new set of wheels. I'm reading on their website that one bottle will coat 4 wheels twice. Any experience with that?
 

MAGS1

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2020
Threads
96
Messages
11,326
Reaction score
18,556
Location
Somewhere in Middle America
First Name
Mark
Vehicle(s)
2022 Mustang GT
Bought some ADS wheel for a new set of wheels. I'm reading on their website that one bottle will coat 4 wheels twice. Any experience with that?
I did the same a little while ago, guess we’ll find out together LOL
 

Sponsored

MAGS1

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2020
Threads
96
Messages
11,326
Reaction score
18,556
Location
Somewhere in Middle America
First Name
Mark
Vehicle(s)
2022 Mustang GT
Got a text from ADS that Quartz Pro is now available to the masses without an installer account. Figures, because I bought the non-pro version a month or so ago…
 

Evolvd

Instigator
Joined
Jan 19, 2015
Threads
186
Messages
6,865
Reaction score
5,868
Location
Northwest Florida
First Name
Brian
Vehicle(s)
2021 Shelby GT500
Got a text from ADS that Quartz Pro is now available to the masses without an installer account. Figures, because I bought the non-pro version a month or so ago…
Yeah that seems to be the new trend. Making pro level coatings available to the masses. I saw a new one out there that allegedly requires no leveling.
 
Last edited:

MAGS1

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2020
Threads
96
Messages
11,326
Reaction score
18,556
Location
Somewhere in Middle America
First Name
Mark
Vehicle(s)
2022 Mustang GT
Yeah that seems to be the new trend. Making pro level coatings available to the masses. I’m saw a new one out there that allegedly requires no leveling.
Oh wow, that’s interesting. I’d love to see how that works, I don’t know how you can get away with not doing some type of leveling. Or wiping away the transfer solution at the very least
 

FKE SNK

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 22, 2021
Threads
2
Messages
159
Reaction score
352
Location
St. Louis
First Name
Cam
Vehicle(s)
2020 GT350, 93 Cobra clone
What is the improvement for Pro? I was actually on their website today
 

MAGS1

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2020
Threads
96
Messages
11,326
Reaction score
18,556
Location
Somewhere in Middle America
First Name
Mark
Vehicle(s)
2022 Mustang GT
What is the improvement for Pro? I was actually on their website today
Not sure why they’re calling it V2, my guess is it’s a little easier to level and won’t flash as quickly (thus leaving the potential for high spots). The Pro is 5+ years durability vs the Quartz which is 3+ years
 

Sponsored

skinnyb

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2022
Threads
12
Messages
3,563
Reaction score
8,905
Location
Knoxville TN
First Name
Alex
Vehicle(s)
21 Mach 1. FJG, Tremec
Bought some ADS wheel for a new set of wheels. I'm reading on their website that one bottle will coat 4 wheels twice. Any experience with that?
Yes, 1 bottle will do one set twice. As in 2 coats... I usually apply 2 coats, and I am just about empty by then. But I lay it down really thick on the barrels especially..
 
OP
OP
DFB5.0

DFB5.0

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Threads
92
Messages
5,402
Reaction score
15,545
Location
Australia
Vehicle(s)
Mustang GT Fastback
Got a text from ADS that Quartz Pro is now available to the masses without an installer account. Figures, because I bought the non-pro version a month or so ago…
The original Pro took practice to apply, it was super grabby and not very forgiving. That would be why it was reserved for professional use.
 
OP
OP
DFB5.0

DFB5.0

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Threads
92
Messages
5,402
Reaction score
15,545
Location
Australia
Vehicle(s)
Mustang GT Fastback
Bought some ADS wheel for a new set of wheels. I'm reading on their website that one bottle will coat 4 wheels twice. Any experience with that?
I used an entire bottle coating my 19-inch HP wheels. Being a matte finish, the really soak up the product, especially on the first layer. Bradley explains it best in a recent video -

Wheels from about the 45min mark -

 

radar

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 28, 2016
Threads
15
Messages
565
Reaction score
552
Location
Melbourne AUSTRALIA
First Name
Ray
Vehicle(s)
2017 GT Convertible 5 Litre V8
Through 70s and 80s I ran a total of three of these ever reliable Coronas. Sealed beams were about $7 at K Mart.

As single guy, had ski boat as well as off road trail bike.
Lawn mowing side hustle too, DFB.
Never saw need for a Ute or pickup. Toyota with towbar did it all.

IMG_8160.webp
 

FKE SNK

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 22, 2021
Threads
2
Messages
159
Reaction score
352
Location
St. Louis
First Name
Cam
Vehicle(s)
2020 GT350, 93 Cobra clone
I used an entire bottle coating my 19-inch HP wheels. Being a matte finish, the really soak up the product, especially on the first layer. Bradley explains it best in a recent video -

Wheels from about the 45min mark -

I bought some factory 24's for the wife's car. Im thinking I may have to skip the barrels.
Sponsored

 
 








Top