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You can "debate" all you want, but the Mustang in question is bone stock (according to OP) and not heavily modified like the one in the link. Those mods can make a difference in intake and exhaust flow where the cat delete will make a big difference; not so much on a stock setup.
It’s irrelevant, car is modified = warranty denied
 

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You can "debate" all you want, but the Mustang in question is bone stock (according to OP) and not heavily modified like the one in the link. Those mods can make a difference in intake and exhaust flow where the cat delete will make a big difference; not so much on a stock setup.
You'd gain 10hp on a stock car

the linked car is not "highly modified"
 

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Speaking from past personal experience and time employed by Ford and GM, I'm surprised a warranty repair is even being considered. Post cats, no problem, but deleted cats and no one involved in approving the claim has said anything? It's not about what's right or wrong, it's about how can Ford weasel out of covering the claim. The real fault is most likely a manufacturing flaw in the powdered metal rod (AAM sourced) that can be verified with metallurgical failure analysis that Ford should be interested in getting to the bottom of. Good luck.
 

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I decided to go with the pictures. My initial question was why hasn't ford warranty already denied the claim if dealer is telling them possible tune and not cats. All maintenance up to date.
Also will the dealer tell me what caused the hole in the block?
If I am a dealer, I’m covering all my bases for approval or denial. They are simply getting their ducks in a row for whatever they decide. If they deny and the customer wants to fight it, they are going to end up likely needing to provide photos and whatever else to support their case.

Also. I 100% believe we are only being given a tiny portion of what happened here. A perfectly healthy, well maintained, “unmodified” car is extremely unlikely to just randomly toss a rod through the block.
 

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I love all the lawyers on here.

If it's an aftermarket warranty it is a contract and it depends on the verbage. IE any mods will void warranty.

Otherwise it falls under the statutes for warranty in the state of residence. This is a case where Moss comes into effect. The manufacturer has to prove a mod caused the malfunction.

Removing a cat will not cause a rod failure and Ford would have a very hard time proving this to an arbitrator or anyone.
 

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I love all the lawyers on here.

If it's an aftermarket warranty it is a contract and it depends on the verbage. IE any mods will void warranty.

Otherwise it falls under the statutes for warranty in the state of residence. This is a case where Moss comes into effect. The manufacturer has to prove a mod caused the malfunction.

Removing a cat will not cause a rod failure and Ford would have a very hard time proving this to an arbitrator or anyone.
Wrong
They have nothing to prove at the time that they tell you to go pound sand
It is only in the next step, if you decide to take them to court or arbitration that they have to give their reason to deny the claim
And even then, being a civil matter, they don’t have to “prove” anything, only that the preponderance of the evidence (s) is on their side
 
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If I am a dealer, I’m covering all my bases for approval or denial. They are simply getting their ducks in a row for whatever they decide. If they deny and the customer wants to fight it, they are going to end up likely needing to provide photos and whatever else to support their case.

Also. I 100% believe we are only being given a tiny portion of what happened here. A perfectly healthy, well maintained, “unmodified” car is extremely unlikely to just randomly toss a rod through the block.
You have all facts, no reason for this old guy to make stuff up. Interesting still FORD dealer saying possible tune. It has one or it doesn't. Cats off for sure, driving down the highway when rod gave way. I will shortly start a new thread in preparation of Ford Warranty denial. Budget new engine or reman. Will probably install my self with my son.
 

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You have all facts, no reason for this old guy to make stuff up. Interesting still FORD dealer saying possible tune. It has one or it doesn't. Cats off for sure, driving down the highway when rod gave way. I will shortly start a new thread in preparation of Ford Warranty denial. Budget new engine or reman. Will probably install my self with my son.
There's absolutely no harm in asking for a warranty covered replacement but it's best to be prepared for a denial. I think your head is in the right place. The dealer will take a while because the decision isn't on them, they are just the agents of the warranty guarantor, all info goes to them to make decisions and there may be some back and forth between them. Even if the warranty is from Ford, the warranty entity and the dealership are two separate things with their own agendas. If warranty coverage is approved they actually pay the dealership to do the work but at a reduced rate so they have little motivation to get you approved or denied, they just go along with the program.
 
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There's absolutely no harm in asking for a warranty covered replacement but it's best to be prepared for a denial. I think your head is in the right place. The dealer will take a while because the decision isn't on them, they are just the agents of the warranty guarantor, all info goes to them to make decisions and there may be some back and forth between them. Even if the warranty is from Ford, the warranty entity and the dealership are two separate things with their own agendas. If warranty coverage is approved they actually pay the dealership to do the work but at a reduced rate so they have little motivation to get you approved or denied, they just go along with the program.
Exactly how I feel. The cost will be 500.00 for the additional pictures. These will be pictures with valve cover off. I guess they are looking for oil sludge, good luck with that, engine clean. If denied I pay the 500.00.
 

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Have you read your Ford Gold Warranty? Quick keyword search results below...


  • Warranty Coverage:
    Ford's warranty, including the Gold plan, is designed to cover defects and failures under normal operating conditions, not when the vehicle is modified in a way that violates regulations.

  • Emissions Warranty:
    Emissions warranties are specifically designed to cover the cost of repairs or replacements of emission control components, and these warranties could be voided if the emission equipment is removed or tampered with.

  • Voided Warranty:
    If Ford discovers that emission equipment has been removed or tampered with, they may deny any warranty claims related to that issue, or even void the entire warranty.
 

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Exactly how I feel. The cost will be 500.00 for the additional pictures. These will be pictures with valve cover off. I guess they are looking for oil sludge, good luck with that, engine clean. If denied I pay the 500.00.
Ouch, that's an expensive photo session but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume the top end has to be completely disassembled. If it works out to a motor replacement I guess it's a good wager but that and the initial diag would put things very close to my walk away price. YMMV of course.
 

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Have you read your Ford Gold Warranty? Quick keyword search results below...


  • Warranty Coverage:
    Ford's warranty, including the Gold plan, is designed to cover defects and failures under normal operating conditions, not when the vehicle is modified in a way that violates regulations.

  • Emissions Warranty:
    Emissions warranties are specifically designed to cover the cost of repairs or replacements of emission control components, and these warranties could be voided if the emission equipment is removed or tampered with.

  • Voided Warranty:
    If Ford discovers that emission equipment has been removed or tampered with, they may deny any warranty claims related to that issue, or even void the entire warranty.
And this has come from someone who has done cat deletes, headers, superchargers, tuning, etc. I typically void my warranty on my Stangs in first 5000 miles to have fun as designed... but i also know that doing that i am not going to Ford when something happens. You don't get to have fun removing parts and expecting them to cover anything at all. it's your risk when you do mods and you have to bite the bullet for the repairs. and for all the Mag Moss act talk. Does anyone actually know anyone that has fully been thru that process vs just talking about it. The lawyer fees would be more than just replacing an engine when you ultimately lose for not having emissions controls on the vehicle.
 

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And this has come from someone who has done cat deletes, headers, superchargers, tuning, etc. I typically void my warranty on my Stangs in first 5000 miles to have fun as designed... but i also know that doing that i am not going to Ford when something happens. You don't get to have fun removing parts and expecting them to cover anything at all. it's your risk when you do mods and you have to bite the bullet for the repairs. and for all the Mag Moss act talk. Does anyone actually know anyone that has fully been thru that process vs just talking about it. The lawyer fees would be more than just replacing an engine when you ultimately lose for not having emissions controls on the vehicle.
Still doesn't hurt to ask. While I wouldn't expect a replacement short block if a supercharged engine rod had a kinetic introduction to the block skirt I have seen coverage approved in a few places you would not expect. They never shared the logic with me as to why but I always assumed it was an equation of cost versus how clearly the case for/against coverage was.
 

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And this has come from someone who has done cat deletes, headers, superchargers, tuning, etc. I typically void my warranty on my Stangs in first 5000 miles to have fun as designed... but i also know that doing that i am not going to Ford when something happens. You don't get to have fun removing parts and expecting them to cover anything at all. it's your risk when you do mods and you have to bite the bullet for the repairs. and for all the Mag Moss act talk. Does anyone actually know anyone that has fully been thru that process vs just talking about it. The lawyer fees would be more than just replacing an engine when you ultimately lose for not having emissions controls on the vehicle.
This^^. I see people quote the mag moss act all over the place but never have any experience with it working for them. Always just a friend of a friend of a friends uncles sisters wives dads brothers grandpas dad that got 97 heavily
Modified motors replaced under warranty in their 1999 Trans Am.
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