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Manuals are more fun and engaging to drive. But mine isn’t a daily driver. I wouldn’t want to daily a manual.
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I used the Steeda short-throw and Steeda rear bracket. The short-throw was ok I guess. I prefer the longer throw of the Ford unit. The bracket is absolutely required.
Same here. Short-throw shifters tend to aggravate any tendency for notchiness, with some shifters being worse than others.

Maybe notchy shifting works if you're a drag racer just brute-force bulling the lever from one gear to the next, but it's not a desirable shifting characteristic otherwise.

I disliked the notchiness with the MGW shifter I installed on my '08 - even at the MGW's longest throw setting - enough to actually fab up a short extension piece to lengthen the throw. Much better that way.


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Manuals are more fun and engaging to drive. But mine isn’t a daily driver. I wouldn’t want to daily a manual.
What am I missing here? Why wouldn't you want all of your driving to be fun and engaging? Serious questions, actually.


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The Porsche 7 speed is basically a highly modified PDK. It has some interesting functions on the latest version, like it won't allow you to upshift or downshift if it would harm the engine. It's basically an automatic with a clutch pedal.
If it's this one ... A Tale of Two Porsche Seven-Speeds: Manual and PDK - Tech Dept. - Car and Driver ... I don't think it'd be all that hard to live with as long as moving the shift lever felt like you were moving something mechanical rather than just wiggling some no-feel video-game joystick. It does have H-pattern shifting rather than sequential +/-, which is a good thing.


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What am I missing here? Why wouldn't you want all of your driving to be fun and engaging? Serious questions, actually.


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Depends on daily circumstance really. A normal commute and it adds to the experience, but if you have 18 stoplights to go through before you get to work, it's not much fun anymore. You may ask why that is, but after a certain point I just start visualizing the pointless extra clutch wear in my head and it sours the experience, lol.
 

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Had to order manual trans. My wife doesn't know how to drive an automatic.
 

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Depends on daily circumstance really. A normal commute and it adds to the experience, but if you have 18 stoplights to go through before you get to work, it's not much fun anymore. You may ask why that is, but after a certain point I just start visualizing the pointless extra clutch wear in my head and it sours the experience, lol.
Such a tiring bunch of dribble.

Got to say this, traffic driving a manual box & clutch, 18 red lights or a 118 . Is just fine, stop & go is a PIA no matter what you're driving or riding in.

Clutch wear, all comes down to the driver ....... totally. Someone that can handle the coordination it takes to roll out from a stand still. Without slipping a clutch, will have very little trouble with wear.

The secret, rolling resistance, rpm & torque, put those together properly the wear is minimal.

Every machine has wear, a slush box has a clutch pack that wears. Heat that box up you'll burn threw a clutch pack in a heart beat.

Some people can walk & chew gum others cannot, I wore out one clutch in my life, @ 16 did not know, have the SKILL.

LMAO .."pointless extra clutch wear", oh yeah one is constant, auto box. The other controlled, manual, when stoped disengage zero wear.
Enjoy that thought ....

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I got the 10 speed auto gt. While that box is bloody amazing and the car is so quick, I tend to get so bored after an hour of driving. Mind you I only ever drive on the occasional Sunday when I'm off work.

If I ever do get around to getting the s650, it'll definitely be a manual. Let's just hope they end up using the tremec in that model, even if it means a slight price rise.
 

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Such a tiring bunch of dribble.

Got to say this, traffic driving a manual box & clutch, 18 red lights or a 118 . Is just fine, stop & go is a PIA no matter what you're driving or riding in.

Clutch wear, all comes down to the driver ....... totally. Someone that can handle the coordination it takes to roll out from a stand still. Without slipping a clutch, will have very little trouble with wear.

The secret, rolling resistance, rpm & torque, put those together properly the wear is minimal.

Every machine has wear, a slush box has a clutch pack that wears. Heat that box up you'll burn threw a clutch pack in a heart beat.

Some people can walk & chew gum others cannot, I wore out one clutch in my life, @ 16 did not know, have the SKILL.

LMAO .."pointless extra clutch wear", oh yeah one is constant, auto box. The other controlled, manual, when stoped disengage zero wear.
Enjoy that thought ....

rant over
Seems like a weird thing to attack me over. I didn't say it was a rational concern. But given I do all my own work, and that means me dropping the trans out of the car to swap clutches, that thought has more weight in my mind than the average person. Not only that, but its not JUST the clutch disc that wears, there's the throw out bearing and slave cylinder as well, which are doing even more work every time you slam that pedal in. If you think 118 lights every day isn't going to massively wear all those items compared to someone who has 8 lights, then I don't know what you're smoking. It's just like when you start on a steep hill, you have to physically sit on the clutch release longer and with more throttle to get going than a level surface. Everything is additive. Skill can only do so much.

Also, you're wrong about traditional autos wearing when you're idling at a stop. That's what torque converters are for. The converter makes up the difference between engine idle and lack of drivetrain movement by slipping, which being a low speed fluid coupling has as close to zero wear as is really mechanically possible, second to sitting with the clutch out in neutral at a light.
 

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Depends on daily circumstance really. A normal commute and it adds to the experience, but if you have 18 stoplights to go through before you get to work, it's not much fun anymore. You may ask why that is, but after a certain point I just start visualizing the pointless extra clutch wear in my head and it sours the experience, lol.
It's all in what you make of it.

You can either carry your grudge against a crappy commute over to your shifting, or you can accept that kind of driving as a challenge and an opportunity to further improve your clutch work and shifting.

On edit, I've done nearly all of the maintenance, repair, and mod work on all of the cars I've ever owned, and we haven't owned an AT car in almost 50 years. The only clutch job I didn't DIY was on the 2010 Legacy where I had Subaru do it as a 'while everything is apart' opportunity caused by that car needing a new center differential.


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It's all in what you make of it.

You can either carry your grudge against a crappy commute over to your shifting, or you can accept that kind of driving as a challenge and an opportunity to further improve your clutch work and shifting.


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Oh of course. I took my Mustang to work every single day for like 6 straight months. I'm not really the person arguing against daily use, if I thought it was that bad I wouldn't have bought one (and come back from auto for that matter). I just understand the logic of the person who was quoted earlier.
 

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Also, you're wrong about traditional autos wearing when you're idling at a stop. That's what torque converters are for. The converter makes up the difference between engine idle and lack of drivetrain movement by slipping, which being a low speed fluid coupling has as close to zero wear as is really mechanically possible, second to sitting with the clutch out in neutral at a light.
Clutch pack discs still experience wear, though it's due to engagement when a gear is selected/commanded rather than when idling at a stop in some non-neutral range. That's also a little clutch pack wear on every shift, though it does get spread out over more than one clutch disc.

Back when externally contracting band brakes were more common, sometimes the anchor end of a band would suddenly break off, typically leaving you without Reverse. It was a long time ago, but I've been there. DIY'ed that one, too.


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Clutch pack discs still experience wear, though it's due to engagement when a gear is selected/commanded rather than when idling at a stop in some non-neutral range. That's also a little clutch pack wear on every shift, though it does get spread out over more than one clutch disc.

Back when externally contracting band brakes were more common, sometimes the anchor end of a band would suddenly break off, typically leaving you without Reverse. It was a long time ago, but I've been there. DIY'ed that one, too.


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Yeah, that I agree with. In that sense 118 lights still has wear in an automatic, but he relayed it to me as if sitting there itself was doing that. I'm actually looking forward to rebuilding a Ford AOD/AOD-E/4R70W sometime soon to learn how to do it. The older style transmissions are a lot more forgiving and generally don't require special tools.
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