21MY Mach 1 spied again

[Bikeman315]

You bring up a good point. It takes a GT500 to beat the C8 so yea, $50k plus would be crazy IMO when the c8 starts at $59k.

Guy's stop with the $60K C8 already. Dealers aren't ordering base cars so if you really want a stripper you are going to have to special order it. Otherwise you're looking at $65k-$70k min. Also the constant comparisons are just silly. Someone who is looking forward to a Mach 1 or even a Bullitt for that matter is not looking at a C8 (unless they can afford both). Lastly with Bullitts already in the low 50's fully equipped why would anyone think the Mach 1 would be less? I know its all just speculation but we will find out soon enough.

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[OnThree]

Guy's stop with the $60K C8 already. Dealers aren't ordering base cars so if you really want a stripper you are going to have to special order it. Otherwise you're looking at $65k-$70k min. Also the constant comparisons are just silly. Someone who is looking forward to a Mach 1 or even a Bullitt for that matter is not looking at a C8 (unless they can afford both). Lastly with Bullitts already in the low 50's fully equipped why would anyone think the Mach 1 would be less? I know its all just speculation but we will find out soon enough.

As if these Mach 1 won't be marked up like crazy from the dealer. Especially since this will replace the gt350.

They'll be pretty close to a C8 and it's a no brainer which one will be the better performer.

 

[EcoVert]

I think the sweet spot for this car is 45,000 and if they miss it, it probably won't sell that well. We live in the age of the $60,000 C8 after all.

It'll be 55.000 and sit on the dealer lots like the Bullitt is. Dealer ADM will push it to 60k easy.

 

[zackmd1]

Guy's stop with the $60K C8 already. Dealers aren't ordering base cars so if you really want a stripper you are going to have to special order it. Otherwise you're looking at $65k-$70k min. Also the constant comparisons are just silly. Someone who is looking forward to a Mach 1 or even a Bullitt for that matter is not looking at a C8 (unless they can afford both). Lastly with Bullitts already in the low 50's fully equipped why would anyone think the Mach 1 would be less? I know its all just speculation but we will find out soon enough.

It doesn’t matter if base C8s are not being ordered by dealers. A $59k model exists and if someone is looking for an OEM track car in the $50-60k price range then a mid engine sports car is the no brainer option over a Bullitt with more power and a $50k+ price tag. The Mach 1 would only cater to those who just want the name at any cost (which appears to be a lot of people on this site.....)

 

[zackmd1]

It'll be 55.000 and sit on the dealer lots like the Bullitt is. Dealer ADM will push it to 60k easy.

And that does nothing to help keep the 2 door around and well when Ford is insistent on slapping the mustang name on anything with wheels...

 

[Spart]

Guy's stop with the $60K C8 already. Dealers aren't ordering base cars so if you really want a stripper you are going to have to special order it. Otherwise you're looking at $65k-$70k min.

Okay, the C8 is $65,000. Wooooow.

That's still disruptive pricing and not too far off what I paid for my GT350. I'll never buy a C8 because I'm a manual die-hard and Chevrolet can go f*#k itself for making the C8 DCT-only with a bunch of disingenuous reasons as to why, but that's a whole different topic.

Tell me what the next cheapest brand-new, 500ish HP mid-engine V8 is? It's not even close.

There aren't a lot of people looking at $50,000 sports cars that aren't also in the market for $65,000 sports cars, and vice versa. And you get a looooot more for your money with the C8.

If Ford doesn't find it's way out of this corner they've been painting themselves into where they have "special edition" cars with too high of an MSRP that get ADM'd into oblivion, they're never going to sell enough to justify building them. Or maybe that's the point: see this doesn't sell, now you all have to buy the Mach E.

Chevrolet, even though as I mentioned before they're b****rds for not making a manual C8, do not play this game. The ZL1 Camaro and Z06 C7 could be bought all day long for under MSRP, and they're great value for money. Only the ZL1 C7 was priced as crazy as the new GT500 is relative to what you get - but they still made plenty of the "special" cars for the masses. Before the pandemic there were lots of dealers selling the C8 at MSRP, even though production was limited.

If you see this Mach 1 debut with a $55k sticker, you know Ford has made the decision to kill the Mustang off bit by bit. They just have to keep making cars that aren't a good value for money, and people will continue to not buy them.

 

[Biggus Dickus]

. Dealers aren't ordering base cars so if you really want a stripper you are going to have to special order it. Otherwise you're looking at $65k-$70k min. h.

Maybe not now but they will - the big Vette movers always order alot of 1LZ or 1LT trims (strippers basically) to capture those buyers that can claw their way into Vette ownership. The 3LZs and 3LTs tend to go out of favor and they get guys who can afford a $60K ride, but not 80-110. And, the demand will drop and so will the prices for Johnny come latelys.

 

[zackmd1]

If you see this Mach 1 debut with a $55k sticker, you know Ford has made the decision to kill the Mustang off bit by bit. They just have to keep making cars that aren't a good value for money, and people will continue to not buy them.

Or they just let the S550 limp along while the world is passing it by. That way they can say a 2 door is available during the release of the mustang cobra truck....

 

[Hack]

Guy's stop with the $60K C8 already. Dealers aren't ordering base cars so if you really want a stripper you are going to have to special order it. Otherwise you're looking at $65k-$70k min. Also the constant comparisons are just silly. Someone who is looking forward to a Mach 1 or even a Bullitt for that matter is not looking at a C8 (unless they can afford both). Lastly with Bullitts already in the low 50's fully equipped why would anyone think the Mach 1 would be less? I know its all just speculation but we will find out soon enough.

Key words - fully equipped. Will the Mach be available with ala carte options so that you can choose a cheap interior but keep all the Go Fast Bits? The Bullit isn't available with the cheap interior.

It doesn’t matter if base C8s are not being ordered by dealers. A $59k model exists and if someone is looking for an OEM track car in the $50-60k price range then a mid engine sports car is the no brainer option over a Bullitt with more power and a $50k+ price tag. The Mach 1 would only cater to those who just want the name at any cost (which appears to be a lot of people on this site.....)

The $59k C8 needs a lot of work to be a "track car". It has all season tires and no coolers. You have to step up the options if you want to track your C8. If you look at what most people will want, I'm pretty sure most of them will be $80k +. And based on past years the price will be higher for the C8 next year. $59K is just a lark to advertise - like the base GT350 was.

 

[Bikeman315]

As if these Mach 1 won't be marked up like crazy from the dealer. Especially since this will replace the gt350.
They'll be pretty close to a C8 and it's a no brainer which one will be the better performer.

The Mach 1 is a specialty edition that will be taking the spot of both the GT350 and the Bullitt. Of course there are dealers that will be tacking on ADM's. But that's on the dealer and the buyer. There are those on here that will not pay or have ever paid an ADM. And this isn't about performance per se. No one knocking the C8 but its a different animal than a Mustang. If you want a mid engined two seat sports car great, go buy one. If you want a Mustang there is no other choice. And if you want a Mach 1 a C8 could have 800hp and cost $40K and it wouldn't matter.

It doesn’t matter if base C8s are not being ordered by dealers. A $59k model exists and if someone is looking for an OEM track car in the $50-60k price range then a mid engine sports car is the no brainer option over a Bullitt with more power and a $50k+ price tag. The Mach 1 would only cater to those who just want the name at any cost (which appears to be a lot of people on this site.....)

Once again why are we even discussing this. This is a Mustang Forum and a Mach 1 thread. You want a C8 go buy one and discuss it on a C8 forum.

If you see this Mach 1 debut with a $55k sticker, you know Ford has made the decision to kill the Mustang off bit by bit. They just have to keep making cars that aren't a good value for money, and people will continue to not buy them.

I'll just address this last sentence. How can you even make this comment. Of course the Mach 1 is going to have a high sticker. Don't all special edition cars? If your not a fan don't buy it, get a base GT for under $40K. That's still what the Mustang is all about. Did making the GT350 help kill the Mustang? Did the Bullitt? Did the GT500? Value is in the eye of the beholder. Go back to 2015 where there were folks who thought the GT350 was nothing but a low end Mustang with a nice sounding engine. Bet you wouldn't agree with that. Folks waiting for the Mach 1 won't agree with you either.

Maybe not now but they will - the big Vette movers always order a lot of 1LZ or 1LT trims (strippers basically) to capture those buyers that can claw their way into Vette ownership. The 3LZs and 3LTs tend to go out of favor and they get guys who can afford a $60K ride, but not 80-110. And, the demand will drop and so will the prices for Johnny come latelys.

You are correct but every time I drive by a Chevy dealer they always have tons of Corvette's and are always looking to deal. This will eventually happen to C*'s down the road. Same goes for regular Mustangs. This is not the case for special editions

Or they just let the S550 limp along while the world is passing it by. That way they can say a 2 door is available during the release of the mustang cobra truck....

Zack, I'm sorry but you are really getting silly now. Please go back to your Tesla. The S550 is the worlds best selling sports/sporty car. I do not thin the release of the Mach 1 is going to change that.

So once again, what the hell is all this negativity about the Mach 1. Are we all just so bored that we are spending our time ripping apart a new Mustang that still hasn't been released. You want a C8, or any other car, fine go right ahead. You don't want to spend $50k+ on a Mustang, fine don't. But why don't we wait for the Mach 1 to be released before tearing it apart.

 

[zackmd1]

Once again why are we even discussing this. This is a Mustang Forum and a Mach 1 thread. You want a C8 go buy one and discuss it on a C8 forum.

There is a difference between liking a particular vehicle vs completely ignoring others exist..... Can we not discuss the fact that other performance vehicles exist that this vehicle will be in competition with? It is not about wanting a C8, its about the fact that a $60k MID ENGINE sports car exists that this Mach 1 might be approaching in price to.

The S550 is the worlds best selling sports/sporty car.

And steadily declining in sales year over year.... Yes the Mustang is the best selling sports car, but you have to keep it fresh in order to maintain that title. Specialty models that cost $50k plus won't do that. Ford's idea of keeping the Mustang fresh is releasing an SUV right now so until there is a leadership change, I do not see that mentality changing.

 

[Bikeman315]

There is a difference between liking a particular vehicle vs completely ignoring others exist..... Can we not discuss the fact that other performance vehicles exist that this vehicle will be in competition with? It is not about wanting a C8, its about the fact that a $60k MID ENGINE sports car exists that this Mach 1 might be approaching in price to.

I get that Zack but the comparison does hold water. A base level C8 vs. a loaded special edition Mustang. Apple and oranges. But how about we wait and actually see what a Mach 1 is. What if it beats the pants off a base C8?

And steadily declining in sales year over year.... Yes the Mustang is the best selling sports car, but you have to keep it fresh in order to maintain that title. Specialty models that cost $50k plus won't do that. Ford's idea of keeping the Mustang fresh is releasing an SUV right now so until there is a leadership change, I do not see that mentality changing.

Hello reality calling. The entire segment is going away. Hell cars in general are fading away. There is absolutely nothing Ford can do about that. And yes, specialty models can and do help. For everyone who wants but cannot afford a GT350, GT500, Bullitt & Mach 1 there are hundreds of regular EB's & GT's being sold. As far as the Mach-E part of the profits from the success of that model will help keep our Mustangs alive. Without the two door coupe the brand means nothing. It's will change but it's not going anywhere for awhile.

 

[Twin Turbo]

For what it's worth, I'd take a $60k Mach 1 over a $60k C8.......but then I'm a Mustang fanboy

I think it's probably best just to agree to disagree.

Now, someone said the Mach 1 was supposed to be fully revealed today........but I guess Spring is still with us for another week

 

[jgilkey]

For what it's worth, I'd take a $60k Mach 1 over a $60k C8.......but then I'm a Mustang fanboy

I think it's probably best just to agree to disagree.

Now, someone said the Mach 1 was supposed to be fully revealed today........but I guess Spring is still with us for another week

If I remember correctly, the announcements in the past were around 1pm EST. So maybe there's still hope for today.

 

[marks]

The C8 will be over a $100k (£80k) in the UK.

https://carbuzz.com/news/the-chevrolet-corvette-is-outrageously-priced-in-europe

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