Is it now between Bernie and Bloomberg?

[Bikeman315]

I've got an idea. Why don't the liberals take responsibility for themselves first, before they start trying take responsibility for those of us who actually are responsible?

So, instead of just dumping on liberals, as usual, why don't the conservatives come up with a plan. Two years in control of the Presidency and both houses, nothing. And don't blame it on John McCain. He was just one person. I want to see one senator and or congressperson in SC come up with a workable plan and I promise to vote for them.

It's all just BS. Everyone wants someone else do something and no one does anything.

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[watisthis]

I held back a little. First off, I have friends and family in the medical field. If doctors were forced to take MC patients at reduced payouts they would either quit, go bankrupt, or be forced into private care. Many doctors are refusing to take on too many MC patients because they lose money. I don't know what the ratios are. Tort reform to reduce malpractice insurance is a good start.

No one addressed roiling up an entire industry to accommodate roughly 20 million in need of help. It would be cheaper to give the 20 million MC and leave the rest of us alone. At $12K per person that's $240 billion per year. Much less intrusive than turning an industry on its head and would not be good for the economy.

I am not advocating for national healthcare, just a competitive playing field.

Well, medicare except for everyone and cheaper because of tremendous bargaining power. Many would agree that medicare is substantially more effective than private insurance industries, but obviously that is up for debate with region, income, etc.

Moreover, to your last point from the previous post. It's not a small percentage of need, our healthcare system is a disaster that has left us behind the rest of the developed world. If you have a serious problem and you have really good health insurance plan you're still likely to go bankrupt or at the very least start finding yourself in medical debt. My father has 3k a month in medication, after insurance he still has to pay up to 900 a month I believe and that is with multiple plans. Most people can't afford that, insurance companies regularly turn down life saving mainstream treatments or medication because they don't want to take the cost. The cost of our healthcare has skyrocketed and continues to drastically outpace the majority of wages.

We have the best tech, modern hospitals, fantastic doctors and treatments, yet we're ranked 38th in the world. That's not a need for small change, thats a disaster for profit that needs rectifying, imo.

 

[watisthis]

Wow! Just Wow!

No thank you! I'll keep what I have and supplement Medicare when the time comes. Funny, in our real world, it was enlightening the number of seniors from north of the border that we met in the Houston area when we were spending a good deal of time there with my daughter. These people traveled thousands of miles to get quality healthcare that was stretched out some times six months or more if even available with their nationalized healthcare. A colleague from work flew his mom from England to have cancer treatment here in the Midwest as she was deemed no longer worthy of treatment in England under their nationalized healthcare. We recently had a little boy from England whose parents brought him to Children's Mercy Hospital here in Kansas City because the nationalized healthcare had written him off as expendable. Death panels may be a harsh term, but it is part of the norm in places like that under nationalized healthcare systems.

Make all the theories and suppositions you want about nationalized healthcare. These are real stories of real people who came here because nationalized healthcare failed them. Instead of destroying what we have, let's find a solution for the small minority that doesn't have health insurance (but do still have access to healthcare by the way).

I've got an idea. Why don't the liberals take responsibility for themselves first, before they start trying take responsibility for those of us who actually are responsible?

And what you think millions of Americans aren't dying from medical costs or medical debt? Should a diabetic just pull himself up by his pancreas because he can't afford 500$ insulin?

 

[Docscurlock]

He is still keeping the same security at the borders except he's assigning the duties to different groups. "Completely reshape and reform our immigration enforcement system including breaking up ICE and CBP and redistributing their functions to their proper authorities." He called for a temporary moratorium on deportations so that an audit can be performed on procedures, that is no open boarders.

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Nowhere on his website does it say any such thing as you are talking about.

 

[Docscurlock]

And what you think millions of Americans aren't dying from medical costs or medical debt? Should a diabetic just pull himself up by his pancreas because he can't afford 500$ insulin?

Insulin is $25 a bottle at Walmart, hardly $500. I know because I send people there to get insulin for their dogs.

 

[watisthis]

Nowhere on his website does it say any such thing as you are talking about.

Lol?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/welcoming-and-safe-america-all/

It's literally in his key points. This is why I get annoyed, lol. All it takes is a little bit of research and constructive criticism before we get upset and start throwing out misinformation. I do believe you try to be objective but I understand there is just soooo much to read and learn its really easy to just take what others says and run with it.

 

[watisthis]

Insulin is $25 a bottle at Walmart, hardly $500. I know because I send people there to get insulin for their dogs.

Yeah, 500$ was far too high I didn't actually look at the data just knew it was far higher than it should be, but avg in the US was $360 and the UK was $65.

That article also says: 'WalMart insulin, for example, is a re-branded version of a Novo Nordisk formula which retails for around $25 per vial in most states. But the formula is older, less effective, and some, like Ms Marston, are allergic to it. This is another key issue in the debate around skyrocketing insulin prices. Each formula works differently for each individual. It takes many T1 patients years to feel comfortable managing their dosing with a particular brand. Several diabetics I spoke to say they have been forced to switch insulins by their insurance plans - even against the recommendation of their physicians - if they wanted to avoid paying the list price for their preferred brand.'

Although, I don't know how true any of that is.

 

[Bikeman315]

Insulin is $25 a bottle at Walmart, hardly $500. I know because I send people there to get insulin for their dogs.

Seriously, for their dogs. I give credit to Walmart for trying to help but the overall situation is out of control.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/4/10/18302238/insulin-walmart-relion

Justin is right. Pick one thing and harp on it. Do not look at the overall picture or do any real research. Of course if we did that all we would be able to do is talk about our Mustangs.

 

[Docscurlock]

Lol?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/welcoming-and-safe-america-all/

It's literally in his key points. This is why I get annoyed, lol. All it takes is a little bit of research and constructive criticism before we get upset and start throwing out misinformation. I do believe you try to be objective but I understand there is just soooo much to read and learn its really easy to just take what others says and run with it.

it's not anywhere in his key points. What does moratorium mean? His quote:" called for a temporary moratorium on deportations " If we stop deportations, which is what moratorium means, then anyone is welcome to walk across our border without fear of deportation. This is the exact definition of "open borders"! It doesn't say moratorium for 3 months or 7 years it says temporary, that is very obscure and will lead to exactly what I said, open borders.

"He is still keeping the same security at the borders" no where does he offer any sensible enforcement of the border, he only talks about reversing Trump's policies. He never says that laws will be followed as passed by congress already he only says that he will reverse the enforcement of the laws. This by itself should be illegal.

CBP and ICE are the proper authorities according to the laws passed by Congress. He could not break up ICE if he wanted to as president, that is congress' job.

 

[Bikeman315]

Yeah, 500$ was far too high I didn't actually look at the data just knew it was far higher than it should be, but avg in the US was $360 and the UK was $65.

That article also says: 'WalMart insulin, for example, is a re-branded version of a Novo Nordisk formula which retails for around $25 per vial in most states. But the formula is older, less effective, and some, like Ms Marston, are allergic to it. This is another key issue in the debate around skyrocketing insulin prices. Each formula works differently for each individual. It takes many T1 patients years to feel comfortable managing their dosing with a particular brand. Several diabetics I spoke to say they have been forced to switch insulins by their insurance plans - even against the recommendation of their physicians - if they wanted to avoid paying the list price for their preferred brand.'

Although, I don't know how true any of that is.

My wife is a T2 diabetic. She is not on insulin but does take Jardiance. She just paid $363 for a ninety day supply. That covered her deductible for Medicare B supplement. She used to get it from the manufacturer for $5 but now can't because she is on Medicare, which we pay for. And by the way there is no direct generic for Jardiance so no cost savings there.

 

[Docscurlock]

Seriously, for their dogs. I give credit to Walmart for trying to help but the overall situation is out of control.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/4/10/18302238/insulin-walmart-relion

Justin is right. Pick one thing and harp on it. Do not look at the overall picture or do any real research. Of course if we did that all we would be able to do is talk about our Mustangs.

Yes, seriously for their dogs. i am a veterinarian.

 

[Bikeman315]

Yes, seriously for their dogs. i am a veterinarian.

OK, sorry for the snide remark. That said the insulin that Walmart is selling for $25.00 is not what most doctors are prescribing. Every patient is different and a lot of them cannot afford their insulin. This is a cold hard fact, not lefty or righty propaganda. A solution for prescriptions costs needs to happen, soon. It's going to take both sides working together to make this happen.

 

[Hack]

Back to Bernie and Mike. Once again it seems that name calling is the soup de jour. Bernie has views and opinions that are, quite frankly, out there. He's not the first, nor will he be the last. That doesn't make him crazy or a unhinged lunatic. He certainly is not my cup of tea and I would not vote for him. Now Mike on the other hand is more of my cup of tea. I'm a MOR, centrist independent. I really do not give a shit what ultra right wing conservative Republicans or ultra left wing Socialist Democrats think. I'm more than capable of thinking for myself. He is a capitalist and has been a member of both parties. I voted for Rudy when I lived in NY and I would have voted for Mike as well (he ran as a Republican. He has more money than Trump (when did being successful and having money become a bad thing?) and as a fellow New Yorker has gone toe to toe with him before. Mike cannot be bullied and will not let Trump intimidate him.

So we'll see. If if is only between these two, my money is on Mike.

Do you see a path for Mike to become the Democrat nominee? Or do you think he will run as a write in third person?

I think if Mike would have come into the race when he was supposed to he might have done ok. Why didn't he do that though? Is he a flighty person that made a snap decision after the last minute? Was he afraid to debate the other democrats?

I think our only view of Mike is through political ads and we really haven't seen the real person. In this interview Bloomberg comes off as though he doesn't know what he is talking about.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/michael-bloomberg-china-pbs-climate-xi-dictator.html

 

[Bikeman315]

Do you see a path for Mike to become the Democrat nominee? Or do you think he will run as a write in third person?

I think if Mike would have come into the race when he was supposed to he might have done ok. Why didn't he do that though? Is he a flighty person that made a snap decision after the last minute? Was he afraid to debate the other democrats?

I think our only view of Mike is through political ads and we really haven't seen the real person. In this interview Bloomberg comes off as though he doesn't know what he is talking about.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/michael-bloomberg-china-pbs-climate-xi-dictator.html

I believe he would only run as a Democrat. Running as a third party would only mean taking votes from the Democratic nominee and he would not do that. Mike is a incredibly smart man. He knew getting into the fray at the beginning was pointless. Look how many people have dropped out. He could also afford to wait. Doesn't need fundraising, he will use his only money. And wait to hear him debate. Remember he ran as a Republican for mayor in New Yrok City and won. That is not easy.

I was already living NJ so I could not vote for Mike, but I would have. He is actually a middle of the road kinda conservative although running as a Democrat. He is not perfect. I do not agree with everything he says or does. Give him a shot if it comes to it. Listen to him. No one is telling you what to do. But, he could be an interesting alternative to all of the crap that Washington has become (both sides, of course ).

 

[Hack]

I believe he would only run as a Democrat. Running as a third party would only mean taking votes from the Democratic nominee and he would not do that. Mike is a incredibly smart man. He knew getting into the fray at the beginning was pointless. Look how many people have dropped out. He could also afford to wait. Doesn't need fundraising, he will use his only money. And wait to hear him debate. Remember he ran as a Republican for mayor in New Yrok City and won. That is not easy.

I was already living NJ so I could not vote for Mike, but I would have. He is actually a middle of the road kinda conservative although running as a Democrat. He is not perfect. I do not agree with everything he says or does. Give him a shot if it comes to it. Listen to him. No one is telling you what to do. But, he could be an interesting alternative to all of the crap that Washington has become (both sides, of course ).

You forget that I think Trump is the best thing to ever happen to this country. If Mike is conservative he should wait and run as a republican after Trump's second term. I don't see him as middle of the road conservative. If he were he should be singing Trump's praises rather than going after him. After all, Trump is fairly middle of the road conservative.

Mike isn't getting any primary delegates. How will he become the Democrat nominee?

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