Drag Race Showdown: 2020 GT500 vs Challenger Hellcat Redeye vs Camaro ZL1!

[Boss2013]

MSRP as tested 76k vs 94k.

Real world 65ish to 140ish is a real oof IMO.

Good read and I liked the review. If you want a manual dedicated track car the ZLE is the one to get. If you want the better all rounder and a DCT the CFTP is the one to get. But what a premium after whatever ADMs you have to pay if you want GT500 CFTP......

Strangely the more dedicated track car has rear seats still.

So, after pages and pages of discussion, what is your explanation as to why anyone would be buying a GT500, CFTP or base? it's not just "Mustang fanboys" buying these cars. They might be a majority, but not the only ones.

You and blaq on the other forum keep making the cost/performance arguments and even take it a step further by bringing "real world" costs to purchase into it. Making a blanket statement as to what someone is going to pay based on what you think they pay is a fool's proposition. Yes, is it more likely to get a car that is not in demand for a price lower than MSRP? Sure. Is a car in high demand going to command a price over MSRP? Also sure. It doesn't make someone buying a GT500 an idiot or fool for buying the vehicle they most desire.

I'd point out that blaq is an idiot for leasing his cars instead of purchasing them but if he wants to do it, that's his prerogative, Who am I to call him a fool?

 

[Minn19]

140ish is way...way too high. Typical Admin fees seem to be much less....typically.

125? Obviously there is what 1 or 2 CFTPs on the ground maybe a few more? From what I’ve seen here they want 140ish and I’m guessing they’ll wait to get it for quite awhile. It’ll be interesting to see what they go for when more of them (CFTPs) hit dealerships. The GT350R stayed nutty for a long time.

 

[Laststandard]

Some food for thought, camaro has tested the camaro SS with a trap speed off 118mph. 6 mph less than this ZL1 1LE. The GT500 traps 8mph more than this ZLE.

For those that recognize what trap speed means for dragstrip 1/4 mile times, those numbers are very telling.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the GT500 is down on horsepower or something.

I think the most surprising thing so far is C&D's critique of the GT500 chassis, when every other publication has been in love with it.

 

[Minn19]

So, after pages and pages of discussion, what is your explanation as to why anyone would be buying a GT500, CFTP or base? it's not just "Mustang fanboys" buying these cars. They might be a majority, but not the only ones.

You and blaq on the other forum keep making the cost/performance arguments and even take it a step further by bringing "real world" costs to purchase into it. Making a blanket statement as to what someone is going to pay based on what you think they pay is a fool's proposition. Yes, is it more likely to get a car that is not in demand for a price lower than MSRP? Sure. Is a car in high demand going to command a price over MSRP? Also sure. It doesn't make someone buying a GT500 an idiot or fool for buying the vehicle they most desire.

I'd point out that blaq is an idiot for leasing his cars instead of purchasing them but if he wants to do it, that's his prerogative, Who am I to call him a fool?

These are the posts I don’t get at all. Why are you angry at me? That is the going price from what I’ve read and a valid discussion point. I don’t give a shit what anyone spends on their car as it is their money. If the situation was reversed you’d outright be calling people paying 140k for a ZLE all sorts of names.

I actually legit feel bad for Ford fans and had my own hard time navigating Ford dealership BS over ADMs etc. If you think the car or anybody here thinks it is worth that than more power to you guys, I don’t and from what I remember from this site many many Ford Mustang fans don’t either and it seriously pisses them off.

125-140k puts it in competition with a lot of other really really good two seaters.

If you can’t see this as practical non fanboy manner I can’t help you. Rage on.

 

[Minn19]

I don't think anyone is arguing that the GT500 is down on horsepower or something.

I think the most surprising thing so far is C&D's critique of the GT500 chassis, when every other publication has been in love with it.

I was surprised by the 0-60, 1/4 mile, traction and braking numbers.

The one big thing I miss from my GT350 was the brake power and feel. Those were easily my favorite brake system on any car I’ve ever had.

 

[millhouse]

125? Obviously there is what 1 or 2 CFTPs on the ground maybe a few more? From what I’ve seen here they want 140ish and I’m guessing they’ll wait to get it for quite awhile. It’ll be interesting to see what they go for when more of them (CFTPs) hit dealerships. The GT350R stayed nutty for a long time.

From what I've seen, $25k admin or less. I've "heard" of those that have no admin at all. Speed Phenom claims to be buying one. Considering he admitted to a small admin on the GT500 he has, I don't see what's not to believe.

I was surprised by the 0-60, 1/4 mile, traction and braking numbers.

The one big thing I miss from my GT350 was the brake power and feel. Those were easily my favorite brake system on any car I’ve ever had.

I wasn't. 1/4 mile on un-prepped surfaces with this much power is a joke. The 0-60 and 1/4 mile times reflect that.

Braking and skidpad numbers were pretty close. I've posted this in another thread, but recall that the GT PP2 posted significantly better skidpad and braking distances, yet lost handily to the GT350 around the track.

The numbers that are most telling for me are the 1/4 mile trap speed and 0-150 time. Both are indicative of how fast these cars truly are in a straight line....which can translate bigly at the track....if you can get traction out of the corners.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

While I hate to defend him as you probably know, I don't think he was stating that he ran 180 on a road course but rather a spirited night in Mexico, maybe I am wrong. I do however remember him stating that he brought his ZL1 to the strip and purposely ran slow times because he wasn't trying, he could have said he was trying but couldn't get the car too launch, he wouldn't have been the 1st to have a hard time with a high hp stock tired car at the strip.

I cant even bring myself to respond anymore on that site they have gone full blown insane with their hatred of the GT350 and GT500, the improvements to the 19 and 20 GT350(R) and now 500 have pushed them (or I should say a few of them) over the edge, the subtle accusations that they are too expensive POS are there almost on a daily basis now. Its too bad as there were some good back and forth going on there for awhile.

He never walked the 180mph road course statement back. Even though he was given several chances. He implied he was a bad ass street racer. But would never answer a call out? And Yes big power cars are harder to launch than not at the drag strip. So just say that instead of Saying something stupid. Like I ment to go slow! It’s easy to spot the hardcore guys. And he’s not that. Snowblind or laynlo15 are serious about their drag racing over there. Notice neither of those guys do much posting in the VS section? Wonder why?

 

[Laststandard]

From what I've seen, $25k admin or less. I've "heard" of those that have no admin at all. Speed Phenom claims to be buying one. Considering he admitted to a small admin on the GT500 he has, I don't see what's not to believe.




I wasn't. 1/4 mile on un-prepped surfaces with this much power is a joke. The 0-60 and 1/4 mile times reflect that.

Braking and skidpad numbers were pretty close. I've posted this in another thread, but recall that the GT PP2 posted significantly better skidpad and braking distances, yet lost handily to the GT350 around the track.

The numbers that are most telling for me are the 1/4 mile trap speed and 0-150 time. Both are indicative of how fast these cars truly are in a straight line....which can translate bigly at the track....if you can get traction out of the corners.

A race track is essentially an unprepped strip. Cramro has a definite advantage with it's traction control and E-LSD. I can't believe Ford had the GT500 in development this long and still stuck with a mechanical diff.

No doubt, given a track that the 500 can stretch it's legs at, it'll dominate. Hell, chuckwalla has 4 1,000'+ straights and pretty steady state turns.

If anybody wants to set up a 1LE vs GT350 vs ZLE vs GT500, swap cars around all day let me know. I'll gladly volunteer my car as long as I can drive all of them

 

[millhouse]

A race track is essentially an unprepped strip. Cramro has a definite advantage with it's traction control and E-LSD. I can't believe Ford had the GT500 in development this long and still stuck with a mechanical diff.

No doubt, given a track that the 500 can stretch it's legs at, it'll dominate. Hell, chuckwalla has 4 1,000'+ straights and pretty steady state turns.

If anybody wants to set up a 1LE vs GT350 vs ZLE vs GT500, swap cars around all day let me know. I'll gladly volunteer my car as long as I can drive all of them

I'm not sure why ford stuck with the mechanical, but my most accounts it works flawlessly...with many "wows" on how well the car is able to get traction out of the corners.

I've never been to chuckwalla, looks like a hell of a fun track....that you can run in both directions. Very cool.

 

[ZRacerLE]

I am looking forward to the GT500/C8/Crapmero with all wheel drive, using electric assist in the front, to remove understeer completely. Of course, America will just be catching up with Germany, and the rest of Europe. Why in the Hell are they always first? Probably the government I suppose.

Germany and Japan don't worry about defense. The American taxpayer pays for it. They get to invest in their industry instead. You're welcome bastards!

 

[V00D00]

What no Camaro can ever answer me is: How is a 1le a better buy if i want a car capable of 10s on a strip and sub 2 laptimes?

nothing is ever a better buy, if it can perform up the the task the buyer wants it for. At that point any financial argument is out the window.
The article, as retarded as it is, clearly stated the zl1 is junk, its decent suspension and effort, with base model, camaro base model cheap plastic feel. I guess its true- you DO get what you pay for- and when you buy a camaro, you cant buy 10 sec slips and sub 2 laps with a level of comfort and refinement reserved for not POORS

He never walked the 180mph road course statement back. Even though he was given several chances. He implied he was a bad ass street racer. But would never answer a call out? And Yes big power cars are harder to launch than not at the drag strip. So just say that instead of Saying something stupid. Like I ment to go slow! It’s easy to spot the hardcore guys. And he’s not that. Snowblind or laynlo15 are serious about their drag racing over there. Notice neither of those guys do much posting in the VS section? Wonder why?

remember that time i offered him an all expense paid track day at his local track, if he would run his modified camaro against a 100% stock 500 and he got sooo mad and then had me banned for reminding him hes all talk

Good times

 

[02gtnh]

What no Camaro can ever answer me is: How is a 1le a better buy if i want a car capable of 10s on a strip and sub 2 laptimes?

nothing is ever a better buy, if it can perform up the the task the buyer wants it for. At that point any financial argument is out the window.
The article, as retarded as it is, clearly stated the zl1 is junk, its decent suspension and effort, with base model, camaro base model cheap plastic feel. I guess its true- you DO get what you pay for- and when you buy a camaro, you cant buy 10 sec slips and sub 2 laps with a level of comfort and refinement reserved for not POORS




remember that time i offered him an all expense paid track day at his local track, if he would run his modified camaro against a 100% stock 500 and he got sooo mad and then had me banned for reminding him hes all talk

Good times

You think the 1le Can’t do vir in under 2 min? There is a handful of owners videos on YouTube under 2 min. One very close to Pobst time in the CFTP. The 1le won’t do 10.6, but may squeak out a win on the track.

 

[ZRacerLE]

They are close in laptimes, so what you pay extra for in the GT500 is the daily drivability and the ridiculously fast straight line speed. Makes sense to me. No reason for either side to hate on the other. Two pretty different vehicle purposes and buyer types.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

remember that time i offered him an all expense paid track day at his local track, if he would run his modified camaro against a 100% stock 500 and he got sooo mad and then had me banned for reminding him hes all talk

Good times

Good times indeed. Your a better man than me. I always figured since he claimed to be the richest man on the internet. I would just travel to him. And give him a shot at my sh*t box, falling apart GT. You'd think a guy in a supermaro would jump at the chance to shut up a big mouth, broke bum like me. Nawwwww.

 

[obspsd]

This is NOT a drag race showdown.

It’s a street race.