This also happened with the GT350s. Somebody would post one for sale at MSRP. 15 or whoever people would call and they’d end up going for quite a bit above MSRP.
I was just putting a thought out there that amateur's are putting near CFTP numbers at VIR full, how much more would Pobst do behind the wheel. If you read my whole comment, you would see that I said the 1le could or may beat the CTFP instead of cherry picking.
I think people insert more drama into their posts when they are constantly attacked by anti-Ford people. Heck, I own a Corvette right now and I don't have a modern Mustang, but I've been called a blind Ford fan boy many times by the Chevy people on this site.
I'm glad you like it, and that's a great price. I frankly would have never considered one, mostly due to seeing reviewers bounce around in it. Heck, my Fiesta ST seems too firmly suspended to me. I've been thinking about replacing the shocks and springs with parts from a regular Fiesta.
I read the entire post I quoted you from. On one hand you want to extrapolate ZL1 1LE superiority at track based on various data sources but when someone suggests that the CFTP will outperform it in the same venue, you declare that it’s just speculation, as no head-to-head rest of them, by amateurs or professionals, has been conducted.
I don't think you'd enjoy daily driving the ZLE. Those who do just love the track car feel and want to experience it as much as possible like myself... maybe it's because I can't afford to do a track day every single weekend. If I could, I'd probably finally get tired of catching air on every single bump, haha!
I'm with you until you talk about the GM engineers giving up and the ZLE is useless except for magazine comparisons. Quite the contrary, I'm surprised GM management allowed Al O and the Camaro team to go as far as they did. Multimatic DSSVs are in very few cars and one of those being a Ford GT. I get it is lost on you as you said you wouldn't buy a car strictly for the track. And if you felt the GT350 was too much at times, than yah, I get why you wouldn't even look twice at a car like the ZLE. If you want to talk about engineers giving up though, look at the GT350R. They didn't even engineer a spot with a tow hook in front. You need to take off the entire front end to get one modded/installed properly. No real factory adjustability for camber or sway etc for the first few years of the R. Most people that track the Rs seriously changed out the bushings, bearings, toe links and added frame stiffeners with rear sub frame lock outs. There is far too much flex in the Rs and I'm guessing the CFTPs suspension, which I'm guessing track rats will switch them on out the CFTPs as well. Last, don't get me wrong, CF wheels are really cool and all. But, most switch them out for fear of damage either on the street or track because they are far too expensive to fix or replace. Most get Signatures or Forgelines etc so budget in another 4-8k for a spare set of wheels/tires/TPMS. You don't need to do any of that to a ZLE. Plus now the ZLE come in both a manual (with rev match if you want with the flick of a paddle) and the A10 auto. I've read people here can't figure out a solution for a no drill license plate for the GT500. GM gives a simple bracket that comes of with four screws after you remove the plate. It takes five minutes at the track.
Find any post where I made a declarative statement it would.
I feel like I'm going to end up with a cumulative impact brain injury from riding in the Fiesta. If I thought I was invulnerable I could handle the ride - my wife never rides in it, so that part isn't a big deal either.
That is great that you and your wife have no problem with the ride quality! I always thought the GT350 suspension was perfect until I had it on some crappy secondary roads. Ironically I was driving south through MN to go trade it for my Corvette. It was actually a little frightening and quite difficult to control. I considered taking a different route on the way back with the Corvette. When I drove the same roads in the 'vette, I had no problems at all - even though I wasn't familiar with the car and its limits yet.
I think you are a Ford fanboy for two reasons. The biggest one is because you have basically said you are in your own posts.
You own a C5 Z06 yet use it as an example as to why modern vettes / chevy products are no good. There's plenty of well documented issues with that car but you seem unwilling to fix or deal with any of them. It'd be like me buying a 2005 Mustang and complaining that Mustangs are underpowered and have crappy interiors.
Fixed that for you. I think Ford is more guilty of it than GM.
Because you keep questioning when I say the 1le may beat the CFTP. So that would suggest you believe the CFTP will beat the 1le. Look at all my responses, and I say the 1le might, or may beat the CFTP. The wording after I said that is gt500 wins strip and 1le wins track was more a rhetorical question to Voodoo.
I'm sorry, but most people don't like DSSV dampers and solid bushings. Porsche doesn't do it. BMW doesn't do it. Completely sacrificing ride quality for extra adjust-ability and track performance is just not being done anymore. People want to be able to drive to the track and put their cars in track mode and be done with it....and then put it in comfort mode and drive home. This is what Ford provided. And at the price these cars are demanding, it's to be expected. The market for $75k track cars that ride like shit is extremely small.