2020 GT500 CFTP Destroys C8 Corvette - Motortrend Comparison Review

[Minn19]

No, the SS 1LE comes with goodyear supercars. And again, calling them crap is an insult. I've researched these tires and they are great for what they are. Perfectly capable at the track. Not as sticky as the SC2 tires, but better than the PS4S.

And again, there is no data showing the delta between those supercars and the sport cup 2. If you wan't to believe that the tire change would put the 1LE equal to the GT350R, that's your prerogative. Most people (including camaro folks) know this not to be true.

Edit:

Are you confusing the Goodyear Supercar F1 tires (crappy) with the Eagle F1 Supercar 3 tires that come on the SS 1le?

The current Goodyear Supercar 3 didn’t exist when the SS 1LE first came out so the were on the Eagle F1 (Supercar version) tires.

Are you confusing the difference in compound and tread pattern between tires like the Cup2s and PSS/PS4S or regular Supercar 3/Supercar 3R? Because yes there is a large difference with plenty of data to back it up.

Michelin, Goodyear etc have standard high performance summer/rain tires (Supercar 3, PSS/PS4S) and barely DOT legal R compound streetable track tires such as the Cup 2s and Supercar 3R.

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[Minn19]

There is no doubt that Chevy wins the performance-for-dollar argument. But having the upper hand in that argument is not helping them sell cars. I think that’s what rubs so many Camaro fans the wrong way; despite a worse performance/dollar ratio, the demand for the Mustang, specifically the top tier versions, is apparent. They just can’t understand the logic.

I never said it did, I’ve said here and on C6G this will most likely be the last Gen Camaro as we know it because of the poor sales.

 

[JohnnyUtah]

The current Goodyear Supercar 3 didn’t exist when the SS 1LE first came out so the were on the Eagle F1 (Supercar version) tires.

Are you confusing the difference in compound and tread pattern between tires like the Cup2s and PSS/PS4S or regular Supercar 3/Supercar 3R? Because yes there is a large difference with plenty of data to back it up.

Michelin, Goodyear etc have standard high performance summer/rain tires (Supercar 3, PSS/PS4S) and barely DOT legal R compound streetable track tires such as the Cup 2s and Supercar 3R.

I cant figure out what's going on here.

My 17 SS 1LE came with Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3. I find them to be quite good on both street and track. A massive upgrade from the G2 version that was downright terrible when cold.

However I am confused by this:
This is what came on my car as well.as the ZL1 base:
https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tires....upe&autoModClar=1SS+1LE+Track+Performance+Pkg

But what the heck is this?
https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Eagle+F1+Supercar

That being said, in my experience, the supercar 3 are not close to a Cup2 tire or the Supercar3R. There is a gap there. Hard to say exactly how much though.

 

[roygriffin2020]

There is no doubt that Chevy wins the performance-for-dollar argument. But having the upper hand in that argument is not helping them sell cars. I think that’s what rubs so many Camaro fans the wrong way; despite a worse performance/dollar ratio, the demand for the Mustang, specifically the top tier versions, is apparent. They just can’t understand the logic.

I do understand the logic, while being met with a backlash. The Mustang is an Icon that cannot be matched, as it has stood the test of time, albeit the Mustang II. The Camaro has always stood as a late bloomer and always behind. Always trying to catch up. Sometimes ahead, but only to fall on its face. The Camaro has fallen away completely for some years and come back and may go away completely as the electric cars take over. But the Mustang has never left us and probably never will. It will be sad that the Mach-E may be the only reminder of once was,.

 

[roygriffin2020]

We did it! Can this be closed now?

Yes, but they have to show the credits. So listen to the music and watch the credits go by.

 

[roygriffin2020]

I think you're correct on this and the only reason I think Ford kept the 350 and raised the price was to cash in on the manual only crowd.
It would take at least a 20-25K price difference in my mind between the 350 and 500 but then again I'm not some sort of "track purist". That said if Ford could figure out some way to get 580-590HP out of the car and keep it N/A it would close the gap....

I agree, there is a place for a 600hp, 8k rpm, manual car

 

[roygriffin2020]

The last H2H didn't work out well for either. The R vs ZL1. The ZL1 won on stats, but barely squeezed out a win in the track test. The R won the best car overall, but lost on stats.

Do a similar comparison now and it's GT500 vs ZL1 and winning on stats is likely out the window for the ZL1. Do we think the prior opinion that the Shelby is the better car would now be different based on the GT500 reviews thus far. The result will be the same which car would you rather have - Shelby, except now it's not only the better car it's the faster as well.

I agree the GT350/GT500 is the better, better looks, better sound to be sure. The sound my ZL1 made was good, but not as "rough and raw" as the GT350.

 

[ZRacerLE]

Alright, 99 pages to go.

What's this about the GT500 vs C8 corvette?

 

[roygriffin2020]

Alright, 99 pages to go.

What's this about the GT500 vs C8 corvette?

What comparison, the C8 is not even out yet. So there is no comparison. It is a mythical car that does not exist.

 

[Face76]

Ergonomics of the Camaro are awkward for many people. ZL1-1LE is a great value but what a terrible DD.

 

[Boss2013]

Could be. But they have nothing to loose as there cars are cheaper. If they win, it says for less there car is better. If they loose is, because it’s cheaper. So they really can’t loose.

They already lost. People are already passing over the Camaro for other choices. If the ZL1 1LE loses to the GT500 in a comparison, they won’t sell more of them. They might if they beat a GT500 CFTP.

By the way, it is lose, not loose.

 

[Boss2013]

Of course the gt500 is selling, it just came out and many have waited years to get one. Zl1 are a dime a dozen. GM doesn’t limit supplies, so loosing to the gt500 isn’t going to change much, neither will demand of the gt500. But we don’t need to get back into a sales debate as that’s a dead horse. All cars are way down on sales.

True. but some significantly more than others.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Of course the gt500 is selling, it just came out and many have waited years to get one. Zl1 are a dime a dozen. GM doesn’t limit supplies, so loosing to the gt500 isn’t going to change much, neither will demand of the gt500. But we don’t need to get back into a sales debate as that’s a dead horse. All cars are way down on sales.

There is no debate on sales. If a company doesn’t sell enough of certain cars. Those certain cars go away. That’s just an ugly fact. Most Chevy fans don’t want to face right now. Instead of asking for more horsepower. They might want to ask for a car they can see out of? If Ford was going to cherry pick opponents for reviews. I can think of better cars to take on. Than a mid engine Vette. Or a Porsche super car.

 

[ZRacerLE]

What comparison, the C8 is not even out yet. So there is no comparison. It is a mythical car that does not exist.

Makes sense

 

[fiveoboy01]

It is a mythical car that does not exist.

Silly comment. Of course it exists... it's just not yet available for public purchase.

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