Let's talk about the C8 vs the GT500

[Cardude99]

pulley e85 and tune on the gt500 though. probably 950 hp..

Yep possibly. Anything is possible in the aftermarket. Point is that neither should be ruled out, don't understand why there is so much hate one way or the other. Both will be awesome cars and both have flaws. I will never understand die hards that refuse to see anything other than what they want to see.

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[martinjlm]

sounds about right, so the c8 needs 20k of mods to match or beat the gt500 in a straight line. ALso will have vastly worse resale. Very few people will do this I think most buyers are going to be retiree's keeping it stock who have no needs for a backseat or can afford having multiple cars.

Where are you getting this? First, how long is the straight line? Second, which C8 model are you talking about?

• A $65k C8 will beat a $76k GT500 0 - 60. That’s according to Carl Widmann’s 0 - 60 claims for GT500 [mid 3s range] and Ed Piatek’s 0 - 60 claims for C8 [< 3.0s]
• Which car wins in the 1/4 is at best subjective. Carl Widmann says GT500 is <11s; there is no claim made yet for C8. Since it will have a pretty good lead by 60 mph, the question is how much ground does the GT500 have to make up and can it do it in the 1/4. Nobody knows enough to call that one yet
• We only have the base C8 coming up for comparison. A Grand Sport is probably closer to GT500 base in terms of price. It is likely to have a different engine with quite a bit more power. Likewise, a Z06 is likely to be closer to GT500 CFTP in price and will have significantly more power than the Grand Sport. Just assume that whatever Stingray does, Grand Sport will do better. And Z06 even better than that.

 

[ALUSA]

It's a better pick for some, absolutely. There is no one size fits all here. The GT350 has things the C8 will never have...and will always be more collectible (for those that care). There is a reason it came in second for the BDC in 2016.

People choose different cars for different reason. If performance was the sole factor, the GT350 wouldn't currently exist.

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[Nagare]

A Grand Sport is probably closer to GT500 base in terms of price. It is likely to have a different engine with quite a bit more power. Likewise, a Z06 is likely to be closer to GT500 CFTP in price and will have significantly more power than the Grand Sport. Just assume that whatever Stingray does, Grand Sport will do better. And Z06 even better than that.

I don't know much about Corvette history, but why would the Grand Sport have significantly more power? For the C7 it is the same power, but upgraded suspension/brakes/wheels with widebody.

 

[nastang87xx]

Pricing was released today for the C8. All I can say is ouch...........in a good way. Depending on your perspective. Now, who's the dick head who told me the Z51 Pack was going to be $10K?

Game. Set. Match.




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[nastang87xx]

If I were to hypothetically order one today, here's what mine could would look like. Still holding out for a while though.

 

[Hack]

Yeah, you know, except 0-60, or top speed, or anything important... right?

Top speed of the Z51 is 184 mph. The GT500 is faster than the Z51. The base C8 is faster in a straight line, but will be slower on track.

So do you want to mix and match stats to still call the C8 the winner on this?

 

[ALUSA]

Top speed of the Z51 is 184 mph. The GT500 is faster than the Z51. The base C8 is faster in a straight line, but will be slower on track.

So do you want to mix and match stats to still call the C8 the winner on this?

I wouldn't go by the top speeds since the GT500's is only 180 mph!

 

[martinjlm]

I don't know much about Corvette history, but why would the Grand Sport have significantly more power? For the C7 it is the same power, but upgraded suspension/brakes/wheels with widebody.

There are two ways to look at C7 Grand Sport. You could say it’s a Stingray with a wide body or you could say it’s a Z06 without the boosted engine. I am fairly certain that the C8 Z06 will have a 5.5TT DOHC. If the GS is Z06 minus boost, it will be a 5.5 DOHC NA. That will have significantly more power than an LT2 Stingray.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

So do you want to mix and match stats to still call the C8 the winner on this?

Well, the 12 - 18 MPH is 0.002 faster for the C8 when it's red and the GT500 is black or gray ... that's clearly a common color performance metric ...

 

[martinjlm]

Top speed of the Z51 is 194 mph. The GT500 is faster than the Z51. The base C8 is faster in a straight line, but will be slower on track.

So do you want to mix and match stats to still call the C8 the winner on this?

Top speed is 194, not 184.

 

[Nagare]

There are two ways to look at C7 Grand Sport. You could say it’s a Stingray with a wide body or you could say it’s a Z06 without the boosted engine. I am fairly certain that the C8 Z06 will have a 5.5TT DOHC. If the GS is Z06 minus boost, it will be a 5.5 DOHC NA. That will have significantly more power than an LT2 Stingray.

Gotcha, when you put it like that it makes more sense. Instead of base engine with Z06 body, it's Z06 without the boost.

 

[Strokerswild]

Having had an early example of the last-gen GT500 for several years, to me the new one is more of the same thing, just evolved. It'll probably blow the rear tires off in spectacular fashion like the older ones too, but at least this time it should be usable on a road course and might even handle. It'll be fantastic, but I still really wish it would have been a turbo car this time for something somewhat revolutionary.

But I've always wanted a mid-engined, V8-powered car since I was a kid reading about Ferraris. The only thing that checked those boxes in my price range over time was an old Pantera, until now. I haven't owned a GM car in a couple of decades and had no interest in doing so until the C8 appeared. They definitely nailed the pricing.

It's a good time to be a car nut.

 

[ALUSA]

There are two ways to look at C7 Grand Sport. You could say it’s a Stingray with a wide body or you could say it’s a Z06 without the boosted engine. I am fairly certain that the C8 Z06 will have a 5.5TT DOHC. If the GS is Z06 minus boost, it will be a 5.5 DOHC NA. That will have significantly more power than an LT2 Stingray.

The rumor has it that the ZO6 will be a supercharged lt2, meanwhile the ZR1 Zora will have the chassis twisting TT engine.

 

[millhouse]

First we do not know yet which outperforms which. Show me one person that loves performance cars and doesn't care about weight? Even Carol Shebly knew that weight is an enemy of performance. Also you missed my point, perhaps reread what I posted

We do though. The GT500 was already said to run sub 11 second 1/4 mile times.

As for your previous post, you reference fat as a determent...which it is only if it under-performs.

Where are you getting this? First, how long is the straight line? Second, which C8 model are you talking about?

• A $65k C8 will beat a $76k GT500 0 - 60. That’s according to Carl Widmann’s 0 - 60 claims for GT500 [mid 3s range] and Ed Piatek’s 0 - 60 claims for C8 [< 3.0s]
• Which car wins in the 1/4 is at best subjective. Carl Widmann says GT500 is <11s; there is no claim made yet for C8. Since it will have a pretty good lead by 60 mph, the question is how much ground does the GT500 have to make up and can it do it in the 1/4. Nobody knows enough to call that one yet

You're correct, we don't. It appears however with the clarification in your previous posts, the C8 will not outperform the Z06 is every facet. We already know the C8 won't have a higher top end than the z06, but it sure sounds like it's not going to out 1/4 mile it either (as expected with the much higher hp/weight ratio). It seems pretty likely that the GT500 is going to run a better 1/4 mile. By how much, who knows...but it's going to be pulling like a freight train at the big end.

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