Let's talk about the C8 vs the GT500

[Hack]

To be fair, he thinks the driver ran outta tallent.


Again, with mid engine cars it's HARDER to stop the ass end from coming around. Like spinning a top, not a pendulum. front engine/RWD & rear engine/RWD cars are far easier to recover when the ass gets loose. Dunno why you find it difficult to understand that?

After considering this question, I think you are part right and part wrong. When a car is spinning it's not spinning about its center normally. If it were, then a mid engine would be the easiest to recover from a spin with. When a car starts to spin it normally is spinning about the front wheels. So a front engine RWD car should be relatively easy to recover with since there is less mass rotating (assuming it's front engine with the transmission in the front as well).

Mass takes force to accelerate. If the mass is in the center of the car, it will take less force to stop the car from rotating compared to a rear engine car. I remember when I was a kid, my parent's '76 beetle took a little adjustment when hanging the back out. Once that heavy rear of the car started sliding sideways, it wanted to keep going. Compared to front engine rear wheel drive cars - on those the back would return quickly and easily. I haven't driven a mid-engine car, but based on what I know about physics I think a mid engine should behave somewhere between the front and rear engine cars. Easier to recover from a spin than a rear engine car, but not as easy as a front engine car.

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[nastang87xx]

What the hell did I miss? Sorry, had a few tacos and spent like 3 days on the throne. Continue.

 

[ALUSA]

Here is an interesting read.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-vs-gt500-starting-price

GT500 is not capable as a track car as the GT350R, if you want the track capable version you have to go with the Carbon Fiber Track Pack GT500. Lets hope the base GT500 dominates the quarter mile because CFTP version will be priced way too high. I m guessing C8 ZO6 price point. Ford is trying to keep the GT350 alive while taking some away from the GT500. Purely commercial.

 

[shogun32]

GT500 is not capable as a track car as the GT350R,

unusable power and excessive weight will do that every single time.
I doubt very, very few people will take their GT500 to a road course in any serious fashion. More for shits and giggles.

 

[ALUSA]

unusable power and excessive weight will do that every single time.
I doubt very, very few people will take their GT500 to a road course in any serious fashion. More for shits and giggles.

People were still expecting more though. We are going to have ZL1 out handling the base model GT500 and ZL1 1LE put up against the GT500 CFTP version but then the price difference is going to come to play. At least it can be a straight line monster. Lets hope the CFTP version is not as pricey as the upcoming C8 ZO6.

 

[Hack]

People were still expecting more though. We are going to have ZL1 out handling the base model GT500 and ZL1 1LE put up against the GT500 CFTP version but then the price difference is going to come to play. At least it can be a straight line monster. Lets hope the CFTP version is not as pricey as the upcoming C8 ZO6.

ZL1 isn't as track capable as the GT350R either. It has excessive weight in the front and too much power. Plus it gets hot after a few laps and it's down on power then.

At least the Zl1 can be good in straight lines.

Not as good as the GT500 at anything, but when is a Camaro ever as good as a Mustang? Camaro - always second best.

 

[Stuntman]

We don't even know how well the GT500 handles, yet people are claiming the ZL1 or C8 handles and performs better. It would be pretty disappointing and a failure if the GT500 does not outhandle and perform the ZL1, and the Carbon GT500 out handle and perform the ZL1 1LE. The car has taken forever to come out so I'm betting theyre faster than the Camaros.

On that note, who here thinks the C8 Z51 will turn faster laps than the ZL1?

 

[ALUSA]

ZL1 isn't as track capable as the GT350R either. It has excessive weight in the front and too much power. Plus it gets hot after a few laps and it's down on power then.

At least the Zl1 can be good in straight lines.

Not as good as the GT500 at anything, but when is a Camaro ever as good as a Mustang? Camaro - always second best.

You are funny. Dream on my friend. Give me a head 2 head comparison to back up your claim!

Here is mine https://www.motortrend.com/cars/for...zl1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review.

Same day same driver test. A regular ZL1 dominates GT350R, not just straight line but road coarse as well. A REGULAR ZL1 not even the 1LE version (Now offered with 10 speed Auto). Look at the Lateral G's and Figure 8 values. The car is even under tired compared to the GT350R, 285/30R20 95Y SL; 305/30R20 99Y SL vs 305/30R19 98Y; 315/30R19 100Y . Wait also 200 lbs heavier than the GT350R. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[Cardude99]

What the hell did I miss? Sorry, had a few tacos and spent like 3 days on the throne. Continue.

Not much. Same old crap. Some of us like the c8 and are hopeful, others are automotive bigots

 

[Stuntman]

You are funny. Dream on my friend. Give me a head 2 head comparison to back up your claim!

Here is mine https://www.motortrend.com/cars/for...zl1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review.

Same day same driver test. A regular ZL1 dominates GT350R, not just straight line but road coarse as well. A REGULAR ZL1 not even the 1LE version (Now offered with 10 speed Auto). Look at the Lateral G's and Figure 8 values. The car is even under tired compared to the GT350R, 285/30R20 95Y SL; 305/30R20 99Y SL vs 305/30R19 98Y; 315/30R19 100Y . Wait also 200 lbs heavier than the GT350R. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Exactly. ChevyTrend and Randy are jokes and completely biased, running the GT350R on old tires:

"As for the Shelby, he noted: "This car was a whole lot trickier to launch than I remember. Having worn tires didn't help, either."

Because of this, the lighter car with wider stickier tires, more downforce loses a ton of time in the corners at Willow Springs.

They are better than Lightning Lap, but even so, Randy goes from loving the GT350R to hating it. He's flip-floppy and I don't care much for his "results".

 

[Hack]

You are funny. Dream on my friend. Give me a head 2 head comparison to back up your claim!

Here is mine https://www.motortrend.com/cars/for...zl1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review.

Same day same driver test. A regular ZL1 dominates GT350R, not just straight line but road coarse as well. A REGULAR ZL1 not even the 1LE version (Now offered with 10 speed Auto). Look at the Lateral G's and Figure 8 values. The car is even under tired compared to the GT350R, 285/30R20 95Y SL; 305/30R20 99Y SL vs 305/30R19 98Y; 315/30R19 100Y . Wait also 200 lbs heavier than the GT350R. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I think you need to pay more attention to those reviews.

Head to head Motortrend's professional reviewers said that they would rather have the GT350R than either the ZL1 or ZL1 1LE.

Matt Farah said the same thing.

Savage Geese review also prefers the GT350R.

Can you give me a professional automobile reviewer that compared the ZL1 and/or ZL1 1LE to the GT350R and preferred the Chevy?

Oh - some bonus content for you - generally reviewers also preferred the Hellcat widebody over the Camaro.

Sales of the three also show which platform people in general prefer as Camaro is falling farther and farther behind even though it's been redesigned more recently.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I think you need to pay more attention to those reviews.

Head to head Motortrend's professional reviewers said that they would rather have the GT350R than either the ZL1 or ZL1 1LE.

Matt Farah said the same thing.

Savage Geese review also prefers the GT350R.

Can you give me a professional automobile reviewer that compared the ZL1 and/or ZL1 1LE to the GT350R and preferred the Chevy?

Oh - some bonus content for you - generally reviewers also preferred the Hellcat widebody over the Camaro.

Sales of the three also show which platform people in general prefer as Camaro is falling farther and farther behind even though it's been redesigned more recently.

And the reason they prefer one over the other. Is the same reason the Camaro is a distant 3rd. In sales in the segment. Its a great bunch of parts. Rapped in a shit rapper.

 

[ALUSA]

I think you need to pay more attention to those reviews.

Head to head Motortrend's professional reviewers said that they would rather have the GT350R than either the ZL1 or ZL1 1LE.

Matt Farah said the same thing.

Savage Geese review also prefers the GT350R.

Can you give me a professional automobile reviewer that compared the ZL1 and/or ZL1 1LE to the GT350R and preferred the Chevy?

Oh - some bonus content for you - generally reviewers also preferred the Hellcat widebody over the Camaro.

Sales of the three also show which platform people in general prefer as Camaro is falling farther and farther behind even though it's been redesigned more recently.

STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT TO SALES AND WHAT PEOPLE FEEL OR THINK ABOUT THE CAR.

A REGULAR ZL1 IS FASTER THAN YOUR GT350R END OF DISCUSSION.

IF WE ARE COMPARING FEELINGS, EVERYONE WOULD HAVE BEEN DRIVING A MAZDA MIATA.

Now back to the main topic....

 

[Stuntman]

A REGULAR ZL1 IS FASTER THAN YOUR GT350R END OF DISCUSSION.

In a straight line. Not around a track, despite the results of the flawwed MT test.

New tires for the GT350R are easily worth a second oer lap, well above the 0.39 difference between the ZL1s new tire and the GT350Rs worn out tires.

 

[shogun32]

the ZL1s new tire and the GT350Rs worn out tires

I have to seriously question the veracity of a "professional" doing a comparo that doesn't run the exact same brand and age of tire amongst all contestants unless that is simply impossible. Even if you're just a flunky youtube "influencer" it's not like you have no budget and can't spend a measily couple grand to normalize the tires. Otherwise the "review" is mere clickbait and a total waste of time.

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