Who will swap for the new 7.3 V8!

[GT Pony]

knowledge of things like "falling hurts" is not genetic. It's learned behavior. Like when you see a calf try to walk on water because it's never seen a body of water before. They only do that once...

Now, being weary of ground with a different appearance? That curiosity and observation is likely genetic. That animal will experiment with the new surface and quickly find that it cannot stand on water. SCIENCE!

Guess which one drowns if nobody is around to rope it out of the stock tank?

I didn't say all animal behavior is innate ... but a large majority of it is. Obviously, some behavior is learned. Let's turn this into an animal behavior thread instead of a 7.3L V8 swap thread ... might as well, everything else has been discussed in this thread, lol. There are many sources on the subject matter.

https://www.ck12.org/biology/innate-behavior/lesson/Innate-Behavior-of-Animals-BIO/

https://sciencing.com/innate-learned-animal-behavior-6668264.html

https://www.google.com/search?newwi...e+animal+knowledge&oq=innate+animal+knowledge

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[MaskedRacerX]

It’s called creativity or genius. Take your pick. Some value that btw.

Did you just refer to __yourself__ as a genius? Hahaha, that's outstanding

 

[BmacIL]

Only one who lacks an understanding of science berates it as this one does. It's pretty sad. Sounds like someone's crazy aunt that talks about spirits and shit.

 

[Erik427]

When people get tired of piston slap and such.
Engine swaps will start to happen a bunch more.
The S197 was in the same boat.....but now it's common place.

Those who don't will just trade off for a newer car and it may not be a Stang.

 

[Fatguy]

Did you just refer to __yourself__ as a genius? Hahaha, that's outstanding

No, don’t be silly! I referred to myself as creative or genius - there, I fixed it. As I said before, creativity applies to both, but genius means the idea could have a practical application. Genius ultimately grades the utility of the creativity even if that utility is evil in application.

 

[Maggneto]

No, don’t be silly! I referred to myself as creative or genius - there, I fixed it. As I said before, creativity applies to both, but genius means the idea could have a practical application. Genius ultimately grades the utility of the creativity even if that utility is evil in application.

It takes a real creative genius to suggest putting a truck engine in a Mustang despite the fact that it won't fit in the engine compartment and would cost tens of thousands of dollars to turn a Mustang into an F250.

Are all Canadians delusional?

 

[millhouse]

It takes a real creative genius to suggest putting a truck engine in a Mustang despite the fact that it won't fit in the engine compartment and would cost tens of thousands of dollars to turn a Mustang into an F250.

Are all Canadians delusional?

Not that I have a dog in this fight, but I do believe the 7.3L has already been confirmed to fit in the S550 engine compartment.

And technically speaking, they Coyote IS a truck engine, as was every previous V8 crammed into a mustang before it. The primary usage for the V8 has always been for a truck first, mustang second. The only reason the Coyote exists is because of the F150.

As for the tens of thousands of dollars, that never has seemed to stop people from sho-horning coyotes into other vehicles. Hell, people have crammed Triton V10's into mustangs. Where there is a will, there is away.

 

[thehunterooo]

How does Fatguy get to troll for 123 pages lol

 

[BmacIL]

Not that I have a dog in this fight, but I do believe the 7.3L has already been confirmed to fit in the S550 engine compartment.

And technically speaking, they Coyote IS a truck engine, as was every previous V8 crammed into a mustang before it. The primary usage for the V8 has always been for a truck first, mustang second. The only reason the Coyote exists is because of the F150.

As for the tens of thousands of dollars, that never has seemed to stop people from sho-horning coyotes into other vehicles. Hell, people have crammed Triton V10's into mustangs. Where there is a will, there is away.

Confirmed not to fit by the manager of engineering Joel Beltramo, who is in charge of the engine. That's in print, not just through the grapevine or complete fabrication like 427 over here. Through the channels at Ford, everyone is laughing at the idea of people swapping this in when I ask about it.

 

[Erik427]

The Ford Y-Block as of about three to four years ago can now be built to run with and at times
beat the Coyote.
A few people have pointed out that although displacement limited.
The Y-Block can in fact make more peak hp and tq.
More hp and tq under the curve than a Coyote while still running on pump gas.
All of this from a motor that made it's debut in 1954.

In my opinion, all that's needed is a alloy block.
Even the oil pan is rear sumped.

I'm not saying people should swap a Y-Block, but if it works.....Y-Not.

 

[Fatguy]

It takes a real creative genius to suggest putting a truck engine in a Mustang despite the fact that it won't fit in the engine compartment and would cost tens of thousands of dollars to turn a Mustang into an F250.

Are all Canadians delusional?

It goes like this:


Fatguy talking about the idea of putting the 7.3 in the S550 Mustang = Creative.


Fatguy successfully making the 7.3 swap in a S550 Mustang = Genius.

 

[Fatguy]

Not that I have a dog in this fight, but I do believe the 7.3L has already been confirmed to fit in the S550 engine.

Yes, we have done the math. A couple of inches and hotrod.com didn’t find a problem with length but did find a problem with the oil pan and integrated pick up. How do you know this?

 

[Maggneto]

Not that I have a dog in this fight, but I do believe the 7.3L has already been confirmed to fit in the S550 engine compartment.

And technically speaking, they Coyote IS a truck engine, as was every previous V8 crammed into a mustang before it. The primary usage for the V8 has always been for a truck first, mustang second. The only reason the Coyote exists is because of the F150.

As for the tens of thousands of dollars, that never has seemed to stop people from sho-horning coyotes into other vehicles. Hell, people have crammed Triton V10's into mustangs. Where there is a will, there is away.

Well, Ford says it won't fit so where are you getting this information that it has been confirmed to fit? Even if it does fit the weight and placement of the 7.3 will make the Mustang handle like a 1970 Lincoln Town car, and I am not talking about the coupe.

"And if you're wondering if it'll fit in a Mustang, Beltramo told us it's actually shorter in height and narrower than a Coyote V-8, but quite a bit longer thanks to much increased bore centers. It's possible then, but good luck doing so without having to cut into the firewall. And even if you could wedge this motor into a Mustang, it wouldn't be very good, because of its heavy cast iron block and low-revving nature. Stick with the Coyote, kids."

The 7.3 is an iron block truck engine and is not meant for cars. Are you suggesting that the current 5.0 in the Mustang is a truck engine? The 5.0 comes in both car and truck configurations, the 7.3 comes in truck configuration only. Do you really not understand the difference?

The 7.3 in its current form will suck ass in a Mustang because it is designed specifically for truck duty so spending tens of thousands of dollars on a truck engine conversion is ridiculously stupid.

In any event, until some moron does the conversion y'all are talking out if your asses.

 

[millhouse]

Confirmed not to fit by the manager of engineering Joel Beltramo, who is in charge of the engine. That's in print, not just through the grapevine or complete fabrication like 427 over here. Through the channels at Ford, everyone is laughing at the idea of people swapping this in when I ask about it.

Honestly, I was going by this article... https://www.thedrive.com/news/26451...-7-3-liter-v-8-in-the-mustang-or-f-150-report

"The automaker's North American product communications lead Mike Levine confirmed the 7.3's compatibility with both the Mustang and the F-150"

"Levine reportedly expressed certainty that the 7.3 will eventually find its way into a Mustang, though only as an aftermarket project, and not a Ford product."

That too is "in print", although I can't say how well versed Mike Levine is on packaging.

I guarantee though you will see one of these in an S550. People laughed at cramming a V10 into a mustang, and yet it's been done a few times. Don't get me wrong, I don't feel it will be common place, or offer any real advantage other than having a high "wow" factor.

Well, Ford says it won't fit so where are you getting this information that it has been confirmed to fit? Even if it does fit the weight and placement of the 7.3 will make the Mustang handle like a 1970 Lincoln Town car, and I am not talking about the coupe.

"And if you're wondering if it'll fit in a Mustang, Beltramo told us it's actually shorter in height and narrower than a Coyote V-8, but quite a bit longer thanks to much increased bore centers. It's possible then, but good luck doing so without having to cut into the firewall. And even if you could wedge this motor into a Mustang, it wouldn't be very good, because of its heavy cast iron block and low-revving nature. Stick with the Coyote, kids."

The 7.3 is an iron block truck engine and is not meant for cars. Are you suggesting that the current 5.0 in the Mustang is a truck engine? The 5.0 comes in both car and truck configurations, the 7.3 comes in truck configuration only. Do you really not understand the difference?

The 7.3 in its current form will suck ass in a Mustang because it is designed specifically for truck duty so spending tens of thousands of dollars on a truck engine conversion is ridiculously stupid.

In any event, until some moron does the conversion y'all are talking out if your asses.

And yet, Ford also says it does fit. https://www.thedrive.com/news/26451...-7-3-liter-v-8-in-the-mustang-or-f-150-report

Who's right, I really don't care. Just laying out the information available on the web.

As for the current 5.0, it absolutely IS a truck engine tweaked for small car duty. Again, it would not exist if not for the F150. If the F150 were to be eliminated, so would the 5.0 engine completely, as mustang sales are not enough to justify engine production. This has always been the case with the V8 in the mustang, as was the case with nearly all pony/muscle cars.

In regards to cost, any modification to your vehicle could be considered ridiculously stupid. People don't modify their cars because it's a good investment, or because they think other people will like it.

You may think cramming a 7.3 in a S550 is stupid, but I guarantee it would garner more attention than any other S550 at cars and coffee. People like the unusual, and that is going to be about as unusual as it will get in an S550.

 

[BmacIL]

Honestly, I was going by this article... https://www.thedrive.com/news/26451...-7-3-liter-v-8-in-the-mustang-or-f-150-report

"The automaker's North American product communications lead Mike Levine confirmed the 7.3's compatibility with both the Mustang and the F-150"

"Levine reportedly expressed certainty that the 7.3 will eventually find its way into a Mustang, though only as an aftermarket project, and not a Ford product."

That too is "in print", although I can't say how well versed Mike Levine is on packaging.

I guarantee though you will see one of these in an S550. People laughed at cramming a V10 into a mustang, and yet it's been done a few times. Don't get me wrong, I don't feel it will be common place, or offer any real advantage other than having a high "wow" factor.



And yet, Ford also says it does fit. https://www.thedrive.com/news/26451...-7-3-liter-v-8-in-the-mustang-or-f-150-report

Who's right, I really don't care. Just laying out the information available on the web.

As for the current 5.0, it absolutely IS a truck engine tweaked for small car duty. Again, it would not exist if not for the F150. If the F150 were to be eliminated, so would the 5.0 engine completely, as mustang sales are not enough to justify engine production. This has always been the case with the V8 in the mustang, as was the case with nearly all pony/muscle cars.

In regards to cost, any modification to your vehicle could be considered ridiculously stupid. People don't modify their cars because it's a good investment, or because they think other people will like it.

You may think cramming a 7.3 in a S550 is stupid, but I guarantee it would garner more attention than any other S550 at cars and coffee. People like the unusual, and that is going to be about as unusual as it will get in an S550.

I'd take the word of a very senior engineer who owns the design of the engine over a communications guy.

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