Letter to FORD addressing ADM?

[Hack]

Yeah I agree. After the first year, I think it will be very easy to get MSRP or less.

Depends on how good it is and how many are produced the first year. I would be very surprised if MSRP deals are "easily" available that quickly. Of course some people on the internet will SAY they got an MSRP deal. How easy it will be to find a dealer that will actually offer MSRP remains to be seen. It also depends on what area of the country you are in. Here most dealers don't sell many Mustangs so they don't get many allocations for "special" cars. So that means it only takes a handful of people in the area to tie up all the allocations.

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[Rothgray]

One of the guys in my local Mustang group is a Porsche salesman. We were discussing the GT2RS last weekend at Cars n Coffee and said they regularly sold them at $150K above sticker. He called it a $37K commission.

It's also one absolutely amazing vehicle.

0-60 in 2.4
1/4mi in 10.3 (Mid 9s on a tune)
6:47.3 Ring time.

Yes, this car is worth every bit of it's $150k markup.

 

[protraxduner]

It's also one absolutely amazing vehicle.

0-60 in 2.4
1/4mi in 10.3 (Mid 9s on a tune)
6:47.3 Ring time.

Yes, this car is worth every bit of it's $150k markup.

NOT to ME......I agree it is an amazing car and if that's your mark then not much out there that compares. And yes i could afford it if i wanted...but that car just doesn't do anything for me asthetically, performance numbers are awesome just doesn't have the looks ....subjective of course.

 

[Rothgray]

NOT to ME......I agree it is an amazing car and if that's your mark then not much out there that compares. And yes i could afford it if i wanted...but that car just doesn't do anything for me asthetically, performance numbers are awesome just doesn't have the looks ....subjective of course.

Everyone likes different things, I'm glad we agree, that its performance cannot be doubted. It's definitely a lot of money to plunk down into 1 car. $298k MSRP, plus a $150k markup. But yes, nothing out really compares yet. I feel its a great price, considering even the $1m+ cars aren't outperforming it.

 

[trojannemo]

Not worth it for me either. I just don't get Porsches. I like the way they look, but they always seem to be priced way higher than I value them. And this applies to every level of Porsche i've looked at.

 

[Rothgray]

Not worth it for me either. I just don't get Porsches. I like the way they look, but they always seem to be priced way higher than I value them. And this applies to every level of Porsche i've looked at.

Not sure, I agree with you. Porsche quality is always superb, and amazing performance. The GT2RS is pretty much the best performing car one can buy today, with a MSRP of $298k, very little touches it, unless you spend over $1mil.

A disappointing car, is the new Ford GT, It handles well, but not world beating, costs $500k, and it's quality still isn't that much better than a standard Ford.

The 2019 ZR1 has outstanding performance, at $140k, but the quality is absolute yuck.

Best bang for the buck IMO, is the new Aston Martin Vantage, Porsche 911 Turbo S, Lamborghini Huracan, or McLaren 570S. Ok, we can add the Acura NSX to the list as well. It'll be even better once they release the launch control patch, that lets you actually tach it up past 2200.

 

[trojannemo]

I'm not saying they're not good cars. They just don't attract me to the point of wanting to pay the prices they command.

 

[sqidd]

"I'm a capitalist"

"ADM is stealing"

You're either one kind of person or the other.

 

[Hack]

Best bang for the buck IMO, is the new Aston Martin Vantage, Porsche 911 Turbo S, Lamborghini Huracan, or McLaren 570S. Ok, we can add the Acura NSX to the list as well. It'll be even better once they release the launch control patch, that lets you actually tach it up past 2200.

The best bang for the buck are the entry or at least low-optioned Camaro SS and Mustang GT. You can buy cars that are faster, of course, but they are not faster in proportion to the increased cost. For instance - the Porsche 911 Turbo S costs ~5X a Mustang GT. However, it is not anywhere near 5X as fast. It isn't even 2X as fast! So you are paying 5X money for a relatively small improvement in performance.

Some models of Porsche might be a decent deal if you buy them in Germany, but here in the states they are way over-priced for what you get. In my opinion any car that costs over $70k or so that is supposed to be sporty should have over 500 hp. And Porsches you have to pay big money to get that kind of power. They are good cars, but they are not a good value. They are very poor for the money here in the US compared to vehicles built here.

 

[V00D00]

The best bang for the buck are the entry or at least low-optioned Camaro SS and Mustang GT. You can buy cars that are faster, of course, but they are not faster in proportion to the increased cost. For instance - the Porsche 911 Turbo S costs ~5X a Mustang GT. However, it is not anywhere near 5X as fast. It isn't even 2X as fast! So you are paying 5X money for a relatively small improvement in performance.

Some models of Porsche might be a decent deal if you buy them in Germany, but here in the states they are way over-priced for what you get. In my opinion any car that costs over $70k or so that is supposed to be sporty should have over 500 hp. And Porsches you have to pay big money to get that kind of power. They are good cars, but they are not a good value. They are very poor for the money here in the US compared to vehicles built here.

written like a person thats never drive one of those cars, let-alone at maximum capability

 

[Rothgray]

The best bang for the buck are the entry or at least low-optioned Camaro SS and Mustang GT. You can buy cars that are faster, of course, but they are not faster in proportion to the increased cost. For instance - the Porsche 911 Turbo S costs ~5X a Mustang GT. However, it is not anywhere near 5X as fast. It isn't even 2X as fast! So you are paying 5X money for a relatively small improvement in performance.

Some models of Porsche might be a decent deal if you buy them in Germany, but here in the states they are way over-priced for what you get. In my opinion any car that costs over $70k or so that is supposed to be sporty should have over 500 hp. And Porsches you have to pay big money to get that kind of power. They are good cars, but they are not a good value. They are very poor for the money here in the US compared to vehicles built here.

I'm sorry, but we maybe on different planets. Power to weight, and performance are not linear. Once you reach certain break points, it takes infinitely more power to get out more performance, it's not 1:1. I assume you know this.

The amount of engineering, and exotic components in those higher end vehicles vs. a Mustang or Camaro is not comparable. I respectfully disagree with you.

In your example, I can take a 911 Turbo S off of the show room floor, run mid 10s, and beat most cars around a road course, as well as be able to take my lady out to dinner at a nice place after its done. It's also probably going to be valeted out front as well (depending on the city you live in). A Mustang is going to most likely get lumped in with the soccer mom SUV's. The truth hurts.

Can a Mustang GT do all of that? Sure, but not as good. And if I want a Mustang GT to run with a 911 Turbo S in a straight line, its going to lose handling, and comfort. I'm sorry, but those cars are not even in the same category for a fair comparison. You have to compromise with the Mustang to make it only compete in one category.

 

[rick81721]

I'm sorry, but we maybe on different planets. Power to weight, and performance are not linear. Once you reach certain break points, it takes infinitely more power to get out more performance, it's not 1:1. I assume you know this.

The amount of engineering, and exotic components in those higher end vehicles vs. a Mustang or Camaro is not comparable. I respectfully disagree with you.

In your example, I can take a 911 Turbo S off of the show room floor, run mid 10s, and beat most cars around a road course, as well as be able to take my lady out to dinner at a nice place after its done. It's also probably going to be valeted out front as well (depending on the city you live in). A Mustang is going to most likely get lumped in with the soccer mom SUV's. The truth hurts.

Can a Mustang GT do all of that? Sure, but not as good. And if I want a Mustang GT to run with a 911 Turbo S in a straight line, its going to lose handling, and comfort. I'm sorry, but those cars are not even in the same category for a fair comparison. You have to compromise with the Mustang to make it only compete in one category.

I think that was his point - sure the turbo S is better, it costs 4 times the price!!

 

[Hack]

I'm sorry, but we maybe on different planets. Power to weight, and performance are not linear. Once you reach certain break points, it takes infinitely more power to get out more performance, it's not 1:1. I assume you know this.

The amount of engineering, and exotic components in those higher end vehicles vs. a Mustang or Camaro is not comparable. I respectfully disagree with you.

In your example, I can take a 911 Turbo S off of the show room floor, run mid 10s, and beat most cars around a road course, as well as be able to take my lady out to dinner at a nice place after its done. It's also probably going to be valeted out front as well (depending on the city you live in). A Mustang is going to most likely get lumped in with the soccer mom SUV's. The truth hurts.

Can a Mustang GT do all of that? Sure, but not as good. And if I want a Mustang GT to run with a 911 Turbo S in a straight line, its going to lose handling, and comfort. I'm sorry, but those cars are not even in the same category for a fair comparison. You have to compromise with the Mustang to make it only compete in one category.

EXACTLY - as you ask for more performance, the cost goes up exponentially. And the cheap cars today are faster than those expensive, top of the line cars of only a few years ago. Automotive performance half-life is very short. It's a losing game to try to be on top of that curve.

I get it - there's a cool factor to driving a Porsche and you really enjoy that. I don't really care about that part. I'm not choosing a car to try to impress other people with it.

 

[CAL Captain]

written like a person thats never drive one of those cars, let-alone at maximum capability

Goodness, yes, because so many of us have access to high-end Porsches to full-out thrash--for testing purposes, you know--to compare them to our pedestrian Mustangs.

 

[CAL Captain]

I'm sorry, but we maybe on different planets. Power to weight, and performance are not linear. Once you reach certain break points, it takes infinitely more power to get out more performance, it's not 1:1. I assume you know this.

The amount of engineering, and exotic components in those higher end vehicles vs. a Mustang or Camaro is not comparable. I respectfully disagree with you.

In your example, I can take a 911 Turbo S off of the show room floor, run mid 10s, and beat most cars around a road course, as well as be able to take my lady out to dinner at a nice place after its done. It's also probably going to be valeted out front as well (depending on the city you live in). A Mustang is going to most likely get lumped in with the soccer mom SUV's. The truth hurts.

Can a Mustang GT do all of that? Sure, but not as good. And if I want a Mustang GT to run with a 911 Turbo S in a straight line, its going to lose handling, and comfort. I'm sorry, but those cars are not even in the same category for a fair comparison. You have to compromise with the Mustang to make it only compete in one category.

I'm sorry, did you wander here from the Porsche forum by mistake?

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