7 speed DCT vs 10r80 for Drag racing? Road racing?

[1mic]

McLaren, Porsche, and Ferrari all sell cars using an element of snob appeal. Ford . . . not so much.


Norm

Who cares what appeal you think it has, Ford is also a snob when it comes to the GT. All that matters is they put in what they thought was best for their halo mustang. If the 10speed was superior they would have put that thing in the $400k+ GT.

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[Hack]

Mclaren, porsche, ferrari all use some type of DCT. 10-speed is for the lower level mustang. DCT is for the Ford GT and GT500.

Porsche has realized that many of their customers dislike the DCT and prefer a manual. I've never seen a Ferrari at the road course. Aren't Ferraris mostly for sitting in the garage and looking at? If they get more than 10,000 miles on them the value tanks? Kind of like the Ford GT - mostly sits in the garage.

 

[Ninjak]

Porsche has realized that many of their customers dislike the DCT and prefer a manual. I've never seen a Ferrari at the road course. Aren't Ferraris mostly for sitting in the garage and looking at? If they get more than 10,000 miles on them the value tanks? Kind of like the Ford GT - mostly sits in the garage.

Hmm Maybe in Minneapolis, but here in the MIA, you see these cars on the road, at the track, hell even at the street gatherings. Just depends on where you live.

 

[Notagain]

1st of all lets be honest for track and drag strip which is going to A. have the most after market support. B. Cost the least to fix. C. handle the most hp.

Not in that order but those are the 3 most important factors.

 

[sdiver68]

On a road course, I believe the main difference may be heat. The 10R80 will generate more thus need more cooling. Next, programming, with the DCT optimized for road racing and the 10R80 close but not as fine tuned for the circuit track.

If you believe specs, the Tremec 7spd DCT is about 30 lbs lighter....198 vs 230 lbs.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Who cares what appeal you think it has, Ford is also a snob when it comes to the GT.

Snob appeal for the FGT, sure. For the Mustang, no. My bad for not being specific enough.


Norm

 

[machsmith]

100 Millisecond shifts with the DCT and was noted twice as fast as the slushbox
just sayin', its what I read somewhere.
Now as far as from a dig, the the auto may have a slight edge.

 

[1mic]

Porsche has realized that many of their customers dislike the DCT and prefer a manual. I've never seen a Ferrari at the road course. Aren't Ferraris mostly for sitting in the garage and looking at? If they get more than 10,000 miles on them the value tanks? Kind of like the Ford GT - mostly sits in the garage.

Like wise i never see the 10-speed mustangs or camaros at laguna seca or sonoma. DCT cars on the other hand.......

Manual porsches are rarer and highly desired, we arent comparing manual vs dct. we're comparing dct vs 10-speed.

 

[Hack]

Like wise i never see the 10-speed mustangs or camaros at laguna seca or sonoma. DCT cars on the other hand.......

Manual porsches are rarer and highly desired, we arent comparing manual vs dct. we're comparing dct vs 10-speed.

Maybe my reasoning is faulty. The statement was that high end cars get DCTs, so they must be the way to go. I was thinking that those high end cars don't get hammered on track very often, so it's unknown how great DCTs really are for long term track use.

 

[Aliaszero]

it's hard to say which will be better. But the more reliable option is definitely the 10 speed. I know the 10 speeds have had some issues from the manufacturer but most of the high end cars with DCT have notable transmission issues outside of Porsche. Mclarens, ferraris, lambos etc have regular transmission service intervals of 10,000 and 15,000 miles for new clutches, lines, and other things. Most of the time the price to replace a DCT is near the $10,000 mark which everyone found out when the GTR came out and started exploding transmissions to the point that they quit warrantying them after too many launches on launch control (this is fixed now though.) We'll just have to see.

 

[BrettT]

I'm no expert on the DCT but I've been told that on some variants as long as you're on the brake the clutches are not engaged, they engage on release of the brake … anyone confirm this?

That is correct. They can be a little slow off the line, but after that......they are quick....

Although with launch control, I'm sure they are quicker.....

 

[Jay-rod427]

I will just say they failed miserably on the gear selector knob tho. Ugly af.

 

[BrettT]

I will just say they failed miserably on the gear selector knob tho. Ugly af.

Yep, very "manly" indeed...…"sarcasm"

 

[Norm Peterson]

I will just say they failed miserably on the gear selector knob tho. Ugly af.

This ↑↑↑

I'd better go make sure my toaster oven still has all of its control knobs.


Norm

 

[V00D00]

DCT is going to be king an all roads, street, strip, course. all of them.. until they start breaking, and they will. and then its a money game.
The trick is going to be how fast can tuners get in and play with the pressures and launch control settings. and then up to dodson and ssp to get their hands one one to crack it open and beef them up.

People need to understand, a dct is NOT an automatic. Ill say it again, it is NOT an automatic. I know what 50% are saying to themselves already " bro, its shifts automatically, thats an automatic"
NO, its an automated manual. it has 2, two, dos, clutches. The second set is spinning up to speed/match the first for the shift to happen.
Which is why for drag racing, people need to understand that.

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