2019 "GT500" Mustang Spied in Full Camo Wearing Large Tires

[BmacIL]

Don't worry guys, 20" all around.

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[Whiskey11]

That's all great and nifty, but I think most of here, including Ford, want the GT500 to surpass the Hellcats, ZL1s and Z06 cars. If not, then at least hang with them. So,.......a N/A engine, no thanks. I don't think it could be done N/A and still be emissions compliant. After all, if this car is indeed the new GT500, it needs to be Ford's affordable" top dog". (Compared to the Ford GT, of course.)
As far as the staggered wheels, why wouldn't you want more grip in the rear? :shrug:

Because it unbalances the car's handling characteristics and requires half arsed "engineered" solutions that don't work. The front suspension on these cars is a perfect example of that. It's a great setup. It's what BMW uses on their cars and they handle well (and so does the Mustang when you remove the wheel/tire imbalance and fix the handling balance with swaybar and alignment changes) but the drive to make this change had to do with Ford's conscious choice to use a significantly wider rear track than the front track AND use staggered wheels for the GT/PP. This meant stiffer rear springs and sways, different rear shock valving, and a whole new front suspension just to balance out the car and even then they didn't do a very good job of it.

The S550 has about 56% of the weight on the front end of the car so it carries more weight. The front end does all of the braking and turning for the vehicle. Those two things are infinitely more important in all driving scenarios than rear end grip is for safety.

Furthermore, the inability to rotate tires absolutely sucks.

I'll be the first to admit that I currently race my car in a class that restricts wheel options to factory widths (which constrains tire choice greatly) and to add insult to injury I can't get alignments aggressive enough to not have the front end completely destroy tires. In fact no amount of car setup in the class I'm in would save the front tires, but it is EXTREMELY annoying for daily driving too as now I have to pay attention to which wheels go where rather than "left side" and "right side". And when the tires do wear funky, which they do, I can't rotate them to balance it out. I can't move them to the rear of the car where they wear more evenly. I have to dismount and remount and balance the tires. It's expensive, annoying, and 100% unnecessary.

Anyway, I'm rambling now, but if handling prowess is something you want in a car, which obviously Ford does or they wouldn't put 305's on the front of the car, the last things you want are staggered wheels/tires and more weight on the nose. The staggered setup will always have understeer added that has to be tuned around with springs/shocks/sways which can impact other aspects unnecessarily.

 

[SlowShelby]

Because it unbalances the car's handling characteristics and requires half arsed "engineered" solutions that don't work. The front suspension on these cars is a perfect example of that. It's a great setup. It's what BMW uses on their cars and they handle well (and so does the Mustang when you remove the wheel/tire imbalance and fix the handling balance with swaybar and alignment changes) but the drive to make this change had to do with Ford's conscious choice to use a significantly wider rear track than the front track AND use staggered wheels for the GT/PP. This meant stiffer rear springs and sways, different rear shock valving, and a whole new front suspension just to balance out the car and even then they didn't do a very good job of it.

The S550 has about 56% of the weight on the front end of the car so it carries more weight. The front end does all of the braking and turning for the vehicle. Those two things are infinitely more important in all driving scenarios than rear end grip is for safety.

Furthermore, the inability to rotate tires absolutely sucks.

I'll be the first to admit that I currently race my car in a class that restricts wheel options to factory widths (which constrains tire choice greatly) and to add insult to injury I can't get alignments aggressive enough to not have the front end completely destroy tires. In fact no amount of car setup in the class I'm in would save the front tires, but it is EXTREMELY annoying for daily driving too as now I have to pay attention to which wheels go where rather than "left side" and "right side". And when the tires do wear funky, which they do, I can't rotate them to balance it out. I can't move them to the rear of the car where they wear more evenly. I have to dismount and remount and balance the tires. It's expensive, annoying, and 100% unnecessary.

Anyway, I'm rambling now, but if handling prowess is something you want in a car, which obviously Ford does or they wouldn't put 305's on the front of the car, the last things you want are staggered wheels/tires and more weight on the nose. The staggered setup will always have understeer added that has to be tuned around with springs/shocks/sways which can impact other aspects unnecessarily.

Honestly, I am thinking the gt500 is not going to be for you. Even the gt350 has staggered widths, which puts the Ki-bosh on your beloved tire rotating. Secondly, the GT500's main competitors are both forced induction, so I am pretty sure the next one will be as well. When modding a car for more power, it is way better to star with an OEM FI car anyways. Think about it, even if it come with 700-750hp, that means it is just some bolt ons away from 800whp. That sounds like a hell of a deal to me.

I am wondering if they will do something similar to the 350s and off an "R" type model with better handling, aero and suspension so that they can keep price of entry more reasonable. Time will tell, but I hope you can get the big wing on it. I dig it.

 

[tws123]

Don't worry guys, 20" all around.

Can you comment on how much power 10 speed automatic transmission can handle? I didn't purchase past gt500 because of no auto. I hope this one will have a auto. thanks

 

[Pedal2Metal]

I'm intrigued by the lack of any kind of rear spoiler. In all other prototypes, we have seen
large spoilers of various types. Could this be an early engineering prototype for the next
generation S650 model? 2020my is fast approaching!

 

[9secondko]

It think it would look weird if the rear wheels are bigger in diameter.

Only IF the fenders are not resized to accommodate proportionally.

That said, both sets of tires look the same size.

Width, however...

 

[z460]

Totally agree. With everything else in their lineup being Eccoboost (turbo) makes no since to supercharge your Halo muscle car! Besides all your competitors are supercharged so be different!

Finley somebody who thinks outside the box :cheers:

 

[Bullitt]

Can you comment on how much power 10 speed automatic transmission can handle? I didn't purchase past gt500 because of no auto. I hope this one will have a auto. thanks

I'd guess a lot. We know at least 650hp because of it being in the ZL1. And the Exorcist ZL1 from Hennessey is available with the 10 speed too I believe and that makes 950 hp to the wheels. Might be beefed up, but I think if Ford wants to put the 10 speed in it, they should be able to make it happen without too much trouble. And if they want to be competitive with the ZL1 and Hellcat then they'll offer it in auto like the others.

 

[BmacIL]

Can you comment on how much power 10 speed automatic transmission can handle? I didn't purchase past gt500 because of no auto. I hope this one will have a auto. thanks

Who says it's a 10 speed?

What I can say is that it will shift very very fast.

 

[Norm Peterson]

It think it would look weird if the rear wheels are bigger in diameter.

I wouldn't say 'weird' . . .

but I would say 'too drag-racing oriented' unless it's intentionally ignoring the ZL1 Camaro and target only the H'cat and Demon Challengers.


Norm

 

[tws123]

Who says it's a 10 speed?

What I can say is that it will shift very very fast.

Sounds great! I may have to sell a kidney to get one lol.

 

[Driver 8]

Who says it's a 10 speed?

What I can say is that it will shift very very fast.

Ahhh....I smell double-clutch ;)

 

[GT500TT]

Ahhh....I smell double-clutch ;)

Could the 7 speed Dual-Clutch form the Ford GT handle over 700hp/tq?

 

[Darkane]

Could the 7 speed Dual-Clutch form the Ford GT handle over 700hp?

The unit are rated on torque never horsepower.

So the question is: can it handle (insert number here) torque?

So far the GTR camp has only been able to solve 700tq (and much higher with aftermarket) with their DCT.

 

[GT500TT]

The unit are rated on torque never horsepower.

So the question is: can it handle (insert number here) torque?

So far the GTR camp has only been able to solve 700tq (and much higher with aftermarket) with their DCT.

So, your saying there is a chance!

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