Base GT test drive not impressive. What am I missing

[Seceda91]

Thats funny. I'll admit a small part of me agree that it is annoying that the Ecoboost really gets little respect and being made fun of. I hear it plenty at work. Nobody like people making fun of their cars. Unless it is my purple saturn beater car I have. No way of getting around not being cool driving "Barney" as we call it, around. I guess I just got caught up in all the overboard praise the GT has been getting since 2015 and expected too much maybe. I'm glad to hear that it sounds like a few combinations of options that might just get me pretty happy for many years. I also liked the Base idea to modify to my liking over the years.

I'll be honest man.. you're always going to hear folks making fun of the EB, it's going to happen and even the V6. Just don't pay attention to them.. I have a friend with an EB and he really takes the comments to heart. Feel bad for the guy but we're both young, can't afford GT payments and insurance

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[cbrookre]

I think you misread my statement. I said turbo motors as in turbo motors in general have more torque than your n/a cars. I also think they are more fun to drive. Especially tuned.

Also, fun fact. The ecoboost Mustang(and now the Focus RS) had the highest specific output of any Ford production car, ever. 135 hp/liter

To be clear, I am not bashing the Ecoboost motor. It has it's place. But "more fun to drive" is very subjective. I personally find the smaller boosted motor experience less fun but again not pretending to insert my criteria into your head. I would argue that the turbo motors seem more fun because of the change in torque between non-boost and boost, that ramp is what makes it seem more exciting (butt dyno perspective). I would prefer that whenever I push the pedal it immediately responds more linearly. But again, that is my personal preference.

Of course a turbo motor will have more torque than an equivalent NA motor. The HP/Liter measurement is only a measurement of the efficiency of the engine at producing HP, but that is not felt through the pedal.

 

[tw557]

That is not true, the V8 has more torque than the Ecoboost at all RPM. Here is [MENTION=6743]Norm Peterson[/MENTION]'s cartoon recreation of the dyno charts from a couple of years back, but this is very close (minus the noise). What I am guessing is that the Eco's "whiplash" effect creates more of a butt-dyno appeal to some (the amount of power that dumps on you when the turbo spools up vs. the NA 4cyl) where the V8 has power everywhere so it is not as much of a jump of power. Combine that with the fact that on a street not in track mode, the difference will be minimized.

I have done so much dyno chart comparing also. And like you point out at pretty much every RPM the coyote looks to be better . The eco is close on torque up to 3000. All dyno charts are of course at WOT. What I'm wondering is what is the dyno chart look like at say 1/2 throttle where I seldom go over in a test drive and normal driving. I wonder if the ecoboost is putting down more with the boost spooled up pretty high at part throttle sometimes. Might explain why the ecoboost feels great at part throttle and somewhat boring WOT. Where the Gt is more so the opposite.

 

[Jake]

I kinda felt the same on a test drive. I kept expecting a push and left sort of underwhelmed. It's like, I know the GT is faster, but turbos are a lot of fun. Get a GT for better noises or faster track times, though.

 

[Ebm]

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To be clear, I am not bashing the Ecoboost motor. It has it's place. But "more fun to drive" is very subjective. I personally find the smaller boosted motor experience less fun but again not pretending to insert my criteria into your head. I would argue that the turbo motors seem more fun because of the change in torque between non-boost and boost, that ramp is what makes it seem more exciting (butt dyno perspective). I would prefer that whenever I push the pedal it immediately responds more linearly. But again, that is my personal preference.

Of course a turbo motor will have more torque than an equivalent NA motor. The HP/Liter measurement is only a measurement of the efficiency of the engine at producing HP, but that is not felt through the pedal.

I hear ya man. But that's what makes this world such a great place. The diversity and amount of options at our disposal. I like turbo'd cars, you might like bigger v8 motors better. Well, luckily for us, they are all available with everything in between (v6).

I also like how easy it is to get more power out of a turbo car. And when I mentioned the 135/hp per liter, I was saying that's pretty darn efficient!

 

[2015Etrac]

If you can test drive it on a highway try to find a nice on ramp, this is where the V8 will really shine. It just keeps pulling and doesn't seem to stop. The super silent exhaust from the factory doesn't help, it gave me the false perception that the car was slower, just adding some sound made it feel faster, even if only in my mind. Like I said, don't worry about suspension, you can have an awesome setup for $1000 or so. CAI and exhaust another $1,000. So for $2k more you'll have a totally different feeling/sounding car. I read on one of the forums that guys found a way to activate the Track and Sport modes on base models, I would do that also, as long as it won't effect the warranty. Track mode makes a huge difference in the feel of the Auto and will light up the tires easily even with 3:15 like I have.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I think it's just a justification post/thread.

I agree. But I try to keep my Snotty replies down to every other post.

 

[wireeater]

I only test drove the PP and was sold as soon as I got back out. Go back and try one. A lot of people don't like the gearing because you have to shift too often... I've got better shit to complain about. The 3.73 is the perfect gearset for N/A power. Take it on a mountain and your adrenaline will be pumping so hard after you get out of the car from the sound, the corners, the downshifts, etc. I would never consider a automatic for a car I wasn't going to use for drag racing. You don't get the same drivability. There is indeed a difference between the two.

 

[tw557]

I'm afraid the next place I plan to test drive will not have the best place to open it up like an onramp. At 50 years old now and racing is done and the last few cars have been sports cars, (3000gt, G35, Audi TTS), I finally figured I want a muscle car since they recently have become solid all around performers. Plus I really don't like the looks of many if any Japanese sporrts cars right now. Unfortunately it is a ton of money to move up to a GT. I set my expectations too high maybe and expected to test drive and say " I need this car" even if it is a lot more money.

 

[Crossroads]

If you can test drive it on a highway try to find a nice on ramp, this is where the V8 will really shine. It just keeps pulling and doesn't seem to stop. The super silent exhaust from the factory doesn't help, it gave me the false perception that the car was slower, just adding some sound made it feel faster, even if only in my mind. Like I said, don't worry about suspension, you can have an awesome setup for $1000 or so. CAI and exhaust another $1,000. So for $2k more you'll have a totally different feeling/sounding car. I read on one of the forums that guys found a way to activate the Track and Sport modes on base models, I would do that also, as long as it won't effect the warranty. Track mode makes a huge difference in the feel of the Auto and will light up the tires easily even with 3:15 like I have.

In the base model if you double tap the traction control button that will take you to sport mode and if you hold the button for more than 5 seconds and release it will say advance trac off, that is track mode. And it will not void warranty, the instructions are in the manual.

When people are using the term PP they mean performance package. Premium package is a trim upgrade, like LS, LT.

The premium package gives you leather, 9 inch lcd, toggle switches, but it gives you nothing more as far as performance. The Performance Package only comes with a manual MT82 only, least in 16 it did

The performance package (PP) gives you bigger oil cooler, tuned suspension (much stiffer) 6 piston brembo brakes up front,19-inch wheels, staggered summer tires, , 380 mm rotors, a strut bar, a front splitter, a Torsen differential and a 3.73 final drive ratio.

So if you want a nicer looking car with leather seats premium is about $5K extra, performance pkg about $3K extra, or you can get both for $8K extra.

And as far as shifting too much with the 3.73 it easy to skip gears, 1.3.5.6 or 1,2,4,6 unless you wanna get toquey, then you never see 6th.

 

[Stormtrooper5.0]

I think it's just a justification post/thread.

Everyone tries to justify their purchase.

 

[2015Etrac]

I'm afraid the next place I plan to test drive will not have the best place to open it up like an onramp. At 50 years old now and racing is done and the last few cars have been sports cars, (3000gt, G35, Audi TTS), I finally figured I want a muscle car since they recently have become solid all around performers. Plus I really don't like the looks of many if any Japanese sporrts cars right now. Unfortunately it is a ton of money to move up to a GT. I set my expectations too high maybe and expected to test drive and say " I need this car" even if it is a lot more money.

They're all great cars, the V8, V6, and ecoboost. 99% of my driving is city driving so the vast majority of the time I'm cruising around at 30mph enjoying the exhaust tone. I think I enjoy the rumble while cruising around as much as I do the acceleration on those rare opportunities I do get to open the car up. I bought my car during one of the 0% financing specials which saved me some $$.

 

[2015Etrac]

In he base model if you double tap the traction control button that will take you to sport mode and if you hold the button for more than 5 seconds and release it will say advance trac off, that is track mode. And it will not void warranty, the instructions are in the manual.

The premium package gives you leather, 9 inch lcd, toggle switches, but it gives you nothing more as far as performance. The Performance Package only comes with a manual MT82 only, least in 16 it did

When people are using the term PP they mean performance package. Premium package is a trim upgrade, like LS, LT.
And as far as shifting too much with the 3.73 it easy to skip gears, 1.3.5.6 or 1,2,4,6 unless you wanna get toquey, then you never see 6th.

The performance package (PP) gives you bigger oil cooler, tuned suspension (much stiffer) 6 piston brembo brakes up front,19-inch wheels, staggered summer tires, , 380 mm rotors, a strut bar, a front splitter, a Torsen differential and a 3.73 final drive ratio.

So if you want a nicer looking car with leather seats premium is about $5K extra, performance pkg about $3K extra, or you can get both for $8K extra.

Is that just for the traction aspect though? I know the Track and Sport + mode also have a much different throttle response vs. normal mode and increased shift points on the auto.

 

[Mustang_Lou]

Whenever I take someone new for a ride in the GT and the engine's warmed up and it's safe I'll lazily shift into 2nd from a stop light and easily get the tach to about 4k when I then hit it ... you just see them move back in their seat and go "WOW!".

But as mentioned before a tune wakes these up (Although I suspect an ecoboost tune even more so).

 

[cbrookre]

I have done so much dyno chart comparing also. And like you point out at pretty much every RPM the coyote looks to be better . The eco is close on torque up to 3000. All dyno charts are of course at WOT. What I'm wondering is what is the dyno chart look like at say 1/2 throttle where I seldom go over in a test drive and normal driving. I wonder if the ecoboost is putting down more with the boost spooled up pretty high at part throttle sometimes. Might explain why the ecoboost feels great at part throttle and somewhat boring WOT. Where the Gt is more so the opposite.

This is very insightful and probably true. I have noticed that when you get close to WOT and/or above 4500RPM the Mustang GT does turn into much more of a wild animal. It can be docile if you take it easy on the throttle.

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