Is it worth it? Long tube question

[Major League Infidel]

I had SW and swapped to ARH. The SP and SW are solid headers. However, with that being said the SP and SW have a tinny/header ping noise that the ARH do not. I couldnt stand that noise and I swapped. For me ARH hands down.

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[Mike02z]

Just a correction here, LTs are NOT illegal for street use in all 50 states. If you have HF cats with LTs and you're here in NJ, and your car has more than 50,000 miles and is older than 5 model years, then it is perfectly legal to remove the manifolds and OEM cats and replace them with LT headers and HF cats. Meaning, a 2010 Mustang GT with LTs and HF cats should be able to go thru DMV and pass at least that part of the inspection. You might fail if you have a tune in the ECU because the ECU will be in "Unreadiness Mode" but that is a different thing.

Sorry, I respectfully disagree. All LT's move the OEM cat locations and that makes the car not public road worthy. If the car came equipped with cats, its not legal to move them. I'm not saying this enforced everywhere. Think about it, with what you are suggesting is after 5 years, the feds dont care about emissions? Moving the cats reduces their effiency and thus causes more unwanted pollution.

You mention NJ. While NJ is tough, CA is much worse. The cops there actually check for LT's if you get pulled over. If they find them, they impound your car. It happened to a guy I know.

 

[15dib]

Glad I live where the free get to be free lol.
TEXAS FTW!!!

 

[Miglo]

Glad I live where the free get to be free lol.
TEXAS FTW!!!

Same here in Ohio! Think I would move if I had to deal with that shit! Wait, I did...I'm from California :headbonk:

 

[15dib]

Lol nice!

 

[plc268]

Glad I live where the free get to be free lol.
TEXAS FTW!!!

As far as the supporting american labor debate: I'll try to buy and support american labor, if and when it makes financial sense to me. When I bought my SP headers, they were at the right price to justify going with headers. It was either headers at that price, or no headers at all. In the end, the company got my money by offering that product, versus no money at all at a higher price.

 

[3beeps]

I had SW and swapped to ARH. The SP and SW are solid headers. However, with that being said the SP and SW have a tinny/header ping noise that the ARH do not. I couldnt stand that noise and I swapped. For me ARH hands down.

I have SP headers and I definitely notice this noise. The ARH headers don't have this sound?

 

[Choking_Victim]

SW no cats 3inch all the way to SW catback..haven't noticed the tinny noise or don't notice it..

 

[BigEasyGT]

Stainless works here and I installed them on jack stands in my driveway. For me, they've been totally worth it. Sound is 10x better than with the stock headers as well. I immediately noticed the "whooshing" noises but that's been the norm through all the header setups I've used on previous cars so I've never cared.

 

[15dib]

I installed mine on jack stands also, the back of my head feels bruised lol. Did you reuse all the stock studs/bolts?

 

[3beeps]

SW no cats 3inch all the way to SW catback..haven't noticed the tinny noise or don't notice it..

I'd say you hear that noise way more from the front than the back. Its valvetrain noise, I believe.

 

[Khyber]

Glad I live where the free get to be free lol.
TEXAS FTW!!!

but texas has those ugly ass front plates... eww

 

[Terminator2]

support american labor. at least get stainless works if you are looking at SP...since SP is chinese labor.

for me it would sw or arh. arh is what I really really want...just still hesitate on buying headers.

In my experience with my 2013 GT (Long tubes are actually going on my 2016 GT next mod), the BEST reason to buy them in my opinion is for sound. Long tubes on a Coyote sound like pure sex at wide open throttle with the right mufflers. You will feel a low end to mid range torque gain with them even seat of the pants but the gains are not usually massive especially in the higher rpms vs just deleting the cats on the factory shorties. 8-10 whp gains seem to be the norm on NA Coyotes vs just cat deletes and around 16-18 whp overall gains discounting tuning. If you do long tubes do them for the same reason people listen to 1000 sound clips before deciding which mufflers to purchase. Make the car sound like you want it to! I'm not expecting massive gains in power with them but I love the sound enough that I'll gladly do another header install on a Coyote (It's honestly not as bad as most make it out to be.

 

[Choking_Victim]

^ sounds beastly at WOT for sure

 

[P51DNA]

I bought mine while back on sale at lethal. Got almost $400 off on the catted kooks. Price = worth it for me. Install on jack stands = ugh

Install was no fun, but I love the kooks headers.

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