ZL1 1LE

[Childs Play]

No in asking you to show me the proven weights of the zl1 and zl1 1le.

I thought they said 60 lbs of weight savings on their reveal which I would think is pretty attainable. Maybe not though..?

Hell, I got near that just unbolting all the useless crap in my 5th gen ZL1 like the back seat/passenger seat/belts and all the trunk trim that was easily removable.

Passengers? Where we're going we don't need passengers...

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[ElAntonius]

I bought a GT350 at the same dealership my wife bought a Roush Stage 3. Is the Roush more powerful? Sure.

I didn't buy a 350 because it's the fastest car ever OMG. I bought a 350 because it's freakin' fun to drive. I'm sure a ZL-1 is a blast. I considered getting one, even.

But frankly having driven a 350 and the Roush, I'm not convinced that more power is really all that. At the kind of speeds we're all liable to be at, you're traction limited anyway. Ford could easily make a 600+ hp Mustang with a blower, they've done it before and the FP/Roush blower easily makes that power.

If I lined up my 529 hp Shelby against my [MENTION=25497]rotisserie_gold[/MENTION]'s 670 hp Roush, I'm actually somewhat confident I'd have the advantage stock, and if we equalized the tires they'd be neck and neck until third gear.

The 350 isn't exactly languishing on dealer lots, so I'm not sure what Ford needs to answer here. If you feel a Camaro ZL-1 is a better car for you, go for it! Me, personally, I'll take the feel and directness, not to mention the sound, of an 8000+ RPM NA motor.

 

[Scruffy]

You people kill me. Would you compare a 65k raptor to a 65k GMC Denali?

Someone is missing the point again. Would a person looking for a performance car compare a GT350 with a similarly priced F150? No, different vehicle intentions. There are a number of cars in a similar price range (street, not msrp) that are designed primarily for road driving that have different bodies and engines. Many people will cross shop all of these and choose the one that meets their needs and budget. Just because a GT350 has a cross plane crank, a C7 has a push rod and an M2 has a six cylinder does not mean they weren't designed to do the same thing. I could have a great time in the mountains with any one of those and could care less how someone categorizes them. This is not about picking on the 350 because it is a great car. There are other vehicles though in a similar price range that will perform comparably on a curvy road.

 

[Norm Peterson]

hate when people say all drag racing is, is just straight line.

I hate it equally when comments like this show up.

Most of the time you guys ain't even racing, just going around like 3/4's.

and especially this one

You road course guys are such snobs.

I'm sure you know that road course driving isn't the 1950's-1960's stringback gloves/scarf/tweed cap activity that 200MPH is trying to make it out to be.

Correct it is just straight line

Exactly. That's all that the car needs to be any good at, as long as it can manage to get stopped before running out of pavement and can make a 15 mph turn onto the return road. That's all I am pointing out here - and that when a performance car comes out that is mainly intended to suit a group of enthusiasts other than the drag-racing-is-king crowd so does the whining.

The rest of that list of things (Cutting a light, staging, reaction time, tire temps, tire psi, engine and drive line temps, track temps, trap reaction when bracket racing, shifting and rpm.) is about setup, tuning, and racing skills, and are things the driver needs to know in order to be successful at it. Which is separate from the car's built-in capabilities, just like setting the car's handling balance to suit you, hitting apexes on a road course and tracking out without spinning out or going off is for the road course driver.


Norm

 

[dron_jones]

This is exciting, i'm looking forward to getting the answers to a lot of questions here:
1. what's better drag racing or track
2. Finally figure out who is better Ford or GM
3. another thread in the main section is solving which is better Manuals or automatics

All we need is a Republican vs. Democrat thread and we will be all set! :lol:

 

[Voodooo]

I hate it equally when comments like this show up.

and especially this one

I'm sure you know that road course driving isn't the 1950's-1960's stringback gloves/scarf/tweed cap activity that 200MPH is trying to make it out to be.


Correct it is just straight line

Exactly. That's all that the car needs to be any good at, as long as it can manage to get stopped before running out of pavement and can make a 15 mph turn onto the return road. That's all I am pointing out here - and that when a performance car comes out that is mainly intended to suit a group of enthusiasts other than the drag-racing-is-king crowd so does the whining.

The rest of that list of things (Cutting a light, staging, reaction time, tire temps, tire psi, engine and drive line temps, track temps, trap reaction when bracket racing, shifting and rpm.) is about setup, tuning, and racing skills, and are things the driver needs to know in order to be successful at it. Which is separate from the car's built-in capabilities, just like setting the car's handling balance to suit you, hitting apexes on a road course and tracking out without spinning out or going off is for the road course driver.


Norm[/QUOTE]

Drag Racing is just as much a drivers race as is road racing. You don't just press the gas and hold on. What about tire shake and pedaling? What about a car that carries the front wheels? What about a car that's a manual? Your just looking at one side.

 

[1320']

Generally I've found the people who talk shit about drag racing are the ones who would go out, screw up their launch, get out of the groove, go into tire shake and proceed to blow the hell out. Following their pass, they immediately park their car and sulk in the pits or just go straight to the gates and run away.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Generally I've found the people who talk shit about drag racing are the ones who would go out, screw up their launch, get out of the groove, go into tire shake and proceed to blow the hell out. Following their pass, they immediately park their car and sulk in the pits or just go straight to the gates and run away.

:lol::lol::lol:

 

[Voodooo]

Generally I've found the people who talk shit about drag racing are the ones who would go out, screw up their launch, get out of the groove, go into tire shake and proceed to blow the hell out. Following their pass, they immediately park their car and sulk in the pits or just go straight to the gates and run away.

High 5. Exactly!

Annoying as hell when track guys says there is no art in drag racing.

 

[Seceda91]

Welp, rumor now the Z/28 is 5.5L with over 700 HP. Let's see if it is indeed true will GM price it out of the market like the 5th Gen Z/28 LMAO

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/03...und-with-revolutionary-small-block-v8-engine/

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Generally I've found the people who talk shit about drag racing are the ones who would go out, screw up their launch, get out of the groove, go into tire shake and proceed to blow the hell out. Following their pass, they immediately park their car and sulk in the pits or just go straight to the gates and run away.

Its just another bias! It's the same smackers that talk shit on drag racing. That start a 400 post circle jerk on how your not a manly man, who is fully in touch with their car. What ever that means??? Unless you drive a stick shift. I always tell everyone. If it was easy we'd all be good at it. It takes no more skill to be a good road racer. Then it does to be a good drag racer. A different skill set? Sure! But to be truely good at anything it takes lots of practice and hard work.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Welp, rumor now the Z/28 is 5.5L with over 700 HP. Let's see if it is indeed true will GM price it out of the market like the 5th Gen Z/28 LMAO

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/03...und-with-revolutionary-small-block-v8-engine/

That engine sounds an awful lot like an engine GM guys have talked mad sh!t on for years!!!

 

[Voodooo]

Welp, rumor now the Z/28 is 5.5L with over 700 HP. Let's see if it is indeed true will GM price it out of the market like the 5th Gen Z/28 LMAO

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/03...und-with-revolutionary-small-block-v8-engine/

Haaaaaa haaaaaaaa
4 valves per cylinder?
Flat plane crank?
Dohc?
Wow. Don't think they are coping ford do ya?

They will never be able to pass EPA with a 700hp na engine. Lmao.

 

[1320']

Don't you guys know? GM is magic..they can do anything. The laws of physics and of man don't apply to their supernatural prowess.

 

[Sasuketr]

I think i m starting to understand how some gt350 owners feel about the zl1's and zl1 1le's here. Here is the category;

For some its just esthetics, they like the looks of the gt350 more, don't care about the performance of the competition.

For some, its the value. GT350 might keep its resale value higher for the future.

For some, its the driving experience, they are more confident in handling a linear powered na car rather than a torque and hp monster.

For some, the voodoo engine is so special, in their entire life they all dreamed about owning a high revving, good sounding, Ferrari similar vehicle, and the gt350 is as good as it gets for the price.

For some, they would like to make a statement and never go down on their brand loyalty.

For some, they paid so much for it, invested ton off money on the modes and its hard to go back now. They can't accept the major competition being faster than them for similar or lower pricing. Jealousy is strong with this one. Try to keep your distance and don't argue with them.

Am i missing anything?

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