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  1. HELP. Strange Sluggish Acceleration

    I've had it happen before when I downshift to second, wait a few seconds, then mat it. Leaving off the accelerator then rolling into power makes it accelerate fine, so I've always assumed it was TCS telling me nah. I suspect the algorithm they use for TCS just doesn't like when you cruise in...
  2. How much attention do you get with your car?

    Grabber blue with black stripes here...I get constant attention (I also drive with the exhaust in sport everywhere except my neighborhood). I've had multiple people just record me sitting around at lights.
  3. Top Speed, 6th Gear & What were they thinking?

    I kind of appreciate 6th being nice and long, but I DD mine. Sure it's great to get some fun back... uh... road action, but there's times where it's also fine to sit back, pop the shocks into normal, crank the stereo, and cover some distance.
  4. How do you refer to your car?

    The Shelby or The 350.
  5. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    Hence my statement about the market and ADM. Personally it's why I didn't buy an R...the extra cash (ADM included) just didn't justify the differences to me personally. If I could have gotten an R at MSRP I would have deeply considered it. But a cold look at how the free market works tells...
  6. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    I wouldn't (and didn't). But the fact is, for dealerships to maintain those markups, SOMEONE has to pay them.
  7. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    Funny thing about ADMs is that it really only reflects the market value for the car. If the market is willing to pay $20k over sticker, that's what the general price will be. At the end of the day, neither the manufacturer or the dealers decide the price of a car. The market does. And the...
  8. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    3 hrs, my living room. Forza Horizon. But I get the wheel, y'alls stuck with the controller. :cheers:
  9. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    I don't even care about the truth in it. It's cool, I just would never have it add weight to a care I'm thinking of purchasing.
  10. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    You know what I think is cooler? Real owner lap videos. GoPros. Being there. Honestly the Boss Track Attack and the Gt350 Track Attack were worth a million hours of Ford sponsored in car video to me. And someone on here posted their video of a Nurburgring hot lap. There's YouTube channels...
  11. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    I happen to like the ZL1 a good bit, though I wouldn't bother with the 1LE version for my own personal use. I just dislike "lap records", particularly at the Nurburgring as a standard of comparison. I think this quote is kind of operative: "Supposedly this Camaro is faster than a Ferrari Enzo...
  12. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    Not to bring back a dead horse, but Jack Baruth over on TTAC has some commentary on the ZL1-1LE Ring time: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/06/camaros-nurburgring-record-dont-mean-thing-aint-got-actually-dont-mean-thing-period/
  13. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    Which, I would add, is usually considered an upgrade due to the side effect of additional chassis stiffness. I'm not saying it's not a fun pissing contest, but that's all it is. It's certainly impressive as to what the camaro platform is capable of, but until someone makes it a wheel to wheel...
  14. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    As far as I'm aware Ford has never announced an official BurgerKingRing lap time for the GT350, and I actually can't recall them ever using it in their marketing. Doesn't mean they don't test there, and I'm sure they do all sorts of benchmarking, but it's not an official Ford time. Also, if...
  15. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    Ah, I knew AC was an option, but I thought there was no way to get a decent stereo in them. Turns out the glass is just thinner now that I look. But I'll still hold, MT had that thing at 75k plus when I looked, which is heavy dosh for a car that involves that level of compromise on the road, and...
  16. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    I cross shopped it (as well as a Roush) before I decided to get a 350, as well. I still think it's a badass car. EDIT: honestly I think the failure of the Z/28 had more to do with livability. End of the day it had a quite good formula, but let's be honest...a 70k car with plexi windows and no...
  17. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    Honestly I could drive to work every day in 2nd (79 MPH) and never shift. It wouldn't be comfortable, it would suck gas, it would be terrible for the car, and it would be loud as hell in a bad way, but the point is the 350 has enough power band that you're not working that hard for speed out of...
  18. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    Nah, I agree. For me, personally, I like knowing that I can mat the gas and the car will be stable and planted (within reason, of course). I went from a Camaro to the Boss, then to a GT350. I wouldn't be interested in a boosted car. My wife's Roush is a blast, for sure, but for my personal...
  19. Doug DeMuro Drives the GT350R

    His recent review on the Lexus GSF was excellently done. He and Turbowski are much funnier than they let on...their B-sides on the GT350 show a lot of it. But on the GSF one they let some of the snark fly out and it just plain works. EDIT: Salomondrin pulls off the "rich guy with toys" vibe...
  20. 2017 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1 VS. 2017 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT350R: THE FOREVER WAR

    While I generally agree, I do find it funny that in this day and age 526 hp is a deficit :headbang: I'm a young'un (33) and I remember when 400hp was a big freakin' deal. Hell, my '10 Camaro had that much and I and many others were FREAKING OUT about it. That was supercharged V8 hp not that...


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