Will Trump be impeached?

[Weather Man]

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[EcoVert]

Weather Man, Today at 12:27 PM

Funny but you really did a disservice to Pinky and the Brain. At least they know when to quit.

 

[BlackandBlue]

I don't think I missed anything. You said Bernies 4% of income over 29k would be more costly. Your premiums would be way less and you wouldn't have to worry about switching jobs, however, this requires everyone to buy in. This would be instead of medicare taxes, monthly premiums, deductibles, copayments, coinsurance, and any other out of pocket cost I am forgetting.

4% for full healthcare with no subsides. You'd most likely have better coverage too.

I forget what employers % is as I just skimmed through the 80-100 pages of his healthcare plan.

Somehow adding 2.35% payroll tax is going to pay for 0-65 ages when 1.65% only pays for ages 65-78?

Just think about that.

You are insane. The medical problem was created by government.

Insanity says the cure to the problem is more government.

My father-in-law was drafted(a slave) to Vietnam. He was exposed to agent orange, destroyed his knee and artery, and just about went deaf. Not to mention the terrible PTSD.

I learned a tremendous amount about government dealing with his health and disability benefits.

Take it from my personal experience. You don’t want the government in charge of your healthcare. This isn’t an ideology it’s my personal experience dealing with government healthcare.

 

[watisthis]

Somehow adding 2.35% payroll tax is going to pay for 0-65 ages when 1.65% only pays for ages 65-78?

Just think about that.

You are insane. The medical problem was created by government.

Insanity says the cure to the problem is more government.

My father-in-law was drafted(a slave) to Vietnam. He was exposed to agent orange, destroyed his knee and artery, and just about went deaf. Not to mention the terrible PTSD.

I learned a tremendous amount about government dealing with his health and disability benefits.

Take it from my personal experience. You don’t want the government in charge of your healthcare. This isn’t an ideology it’s my personal experience dealing with government healthcare.

(Income - Deduction) x .04

If you're married and file jointly use your household income, if you're single you'd use your income which I believe is closer to 12-13k rather than 29k. And its uncapped so extreme wealth obviously pays much more, see my last post above.

"Last year the typical working family paid an average of $5,277 in premiums to private health insurance companies. Under this option, a typical family of four earning $50,000, after taking the standard deduction, would pay a 4 percent income-based premium to fund Medicare for All – just $844 a year – saving that family over $4,400 a year. Because of the standard deduction, families of four making less than $29,000 a year would not pay this premium." Obviously there are still things like travel for specialized care and the like.

I'm sorry to hear about your father-in-law I know government services haven't always been great especially when dealing with members of the military and the stigma that comes with service-related injuries. I understand that all too well as someone who spent 12 years in the Army, deployed 6 times and did hundreds of jumps, FRIES, and SPIES training amongst other specialized training courses. The VA for me has been wonderful, however, going to Baltimore you see a lot of homeless and uncared for vets. It is painfully obvious that things need to change, and to me, Bernie's Medicare for all seems like a great way for all of us to help serve those that did what none of us were willing to do.

Actually, I need to do more research on Medicare for all and how the VA would work considering the VA is already subsidized and is currently funded and run separately. Perhaps tax-exempt for retired vets, IDK I haven't done much more than skim through the 80-100 pages as I said.

 

[BlackandBlue]

(Income - Deduction) x .04

If you're married and file jointly use your household income, if you're single you'd use your income which I believe is closer to 12-13k rather than 29k. And its uncapped so extreme wealth obviously pays much more, see my last post above.

"Last year the typical working family paid an average of $5,277 in premiums to private health insurance companies. Under this option, a typical family of four earning $50,000, after taking the standard deduction, would pay a 4 percent income-based premium to fund Medicare for All – just $844 a year – saving that family over $4,400 a year. Because of the standard deduction, families of four making less than $29,000 a year would not pay this premium." Obviously there are still things like travel for specialized care and the like.

I'm sorry to hear about your father-in-law I know government services haven't always been great especially when dealing with members of the military and the stigma that comes with service-related injuries. I understand that all too well as someone who spent 12 years in the Army, deployed 6 times and did hundreds of jumps, FRIES, and SPIES training amongst other specialized training courses. The VA for me has been wonderful, however, going to Baltimore you see a lot of homeless and uncared for vets. It is painfully obvious that things need to change, and to me, Bernie's Medicare for all seems like a great way for all of us to help serve those that did what none of us were willing to do.

Plug your Information in this calculator and check out how expense insurance is.

This link is a family of 4 making 120k a year with two kids under 15.

Then revise that 4,400

https://www.kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/#state=md&zip=21733&income-type=dollars&income=120000&employer-coverage=0&people=4&alternate-plan-family=&adult-count=2&adults[0][age]=55&adults[0][tobacco]=0&adults[1][age]=50&adults[1][tobacco]=0&child-count=2&children[0][age]=6&children[0][tobacco]=0&children[1][age]=12&children[1][tobacco]=0

Google top search for Obamacare calculator.

 

[watisthis]

Plug your Information in this calculator and check out how expense insurance is.

This link is a family of 4 making 120k a year with two kids under 15.

Then revise that 4,400

https://www.kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/#state=md&zip=21733&income-type=dollars&income=120000&employer-coverage=0&people=4&alternate-plan-family=&adult-count=2&adults[0][age]=55&adults[0][tobacco]=0&adults[1][age]=50&adults[1][tobacco]=0&child-count=2&children[0][age]=6&children[0][tobacco]=0&children[1][age]=12&children[1][tobacco]=0

Google top search for Obamacare calculator.

Well, I don't pay for healthcare, but if I did according to that I would save around 7k if I used private coverage and not an employers.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/health-insurance-premiums.aspx

 

[BlackandBlue]

Well, I don't pay for healthcare, but if I did according to that I would save around 7k if I used private coverage and not an employers.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/health-insurance-premiums.aspx

The calculator I put a link to is the same one on the link you sent me.

32.6k for a family of 4 making 120k a year.

Obamacare subsidies premiums based on income. Having to insure anyone means it’s very expensive. It has to be to have the healthy pay for the sick. The poor get a great deal and the middle class gets hosed.

Large/midsized Employers a different plan basically negotiated though insurance companies but self insured. One or two premature babies can blowup those plans so cost vary greatly from year to year.

My point being healthcare can only be fixed though lowering cost.

 

[watisthis]

The calculator I put a link to is the same one on the link you sent me.

32.6k for a family of 4 making 120k a year.

Obamacare subsidies premiums based on income. Having to insure anyone means it’s very expensive. It has to be to have the healthy pay for the sick. The poor get a great deal and the middle class gets hosed.

Large/midsized Employers a different plan basically negotiated though insurance companies but self insured. One or two premature babies can blowup those plans so cost vary greatly from year to year.

My point being healthcare can only be fixed though lowering cost.

Yeah, I was posting for averages last year and 2016. Medicare for all is quite a bit different than ACA.

M4A (Medicare for all) from my understanding, grants full basic coverage to everyone, no expectations, no paperwork if you lose or change your job. Eliminates medical bankruptcies, so no one will ever be too poor to get treatment. Eliminates the health insurance costs for small businesses which I believe are one of the main reasons they fail and reduction in hospital/specialized care admin costs. The government becomes a single-payer for services and pharma which would provide greater negotiating power over costs, obviously, we would need to get Martin Shkreli to govern over this part.

A public option can't do that, also a public option runs the risk of collapsing medicare via quantitative risk pools.

This is all well and good but what it all comes down to is passing it which is going to be insanely difficult. ACA was watered down and easily gamed by many, even after Obama eliminated the public option the republicans still wouldn't support it. Which is crazy because Obamacare is fundamentally a right wing idea.

There's more I could go into in reference to your other points but I'm about to go to bed.

 

[GT Pony]

GT pony has drunk the Socialist Democrats kool aid

LoL, not even close. Now if I was going to buy a Mach E and put posters of it all over the place I might then be a Socialist Democrat.

The brainwashed Trump Zombies have become sell outs to the Constitution of the UnIted States (which they ignore and don't understand), and are basically anti-Patriots that take the knee to their Master.

Congrats Mr. Trump for becoming only the 3rd POTUS in history to be impeached. You always want to be remembered, and this little jewel will be in the history books forever, lol.

Also, Mr. Trump I listened to your live rally tonight in MI, and all I could conclude is that you're a raving lunatic. You better work double time on your brainwashing skills since you're now officially impeached.

 

[GT Pony]

Ignorant. No way it gets cheaper for the payers. We pay more so broke fucks pay less/nothing.

ETA: "free". Are you fucking kidding me? Show me how to make "free" money. Moron.

Good Lord, obviously someone clearly does not understand sarcasm. You might want to get more in tune with what's going on before looking like a chatboard noob, lol. Hint: the laughing emoji means something.

In other words, any idea about "free healthcare" is not going to work unless the gov't runs it and uses collected taxes from everyone to run healthcare, and they would most likely need to cut spending on other programs so everyone isn't over taxed to fund "free healthcare" for everyone. And that's in conjunction with a drastic reduction in health care and drug costs, which I already mentioned in a previous post.

 

[2018OFPP1?2]

Good Lord, obviously someone clearly does not understand sarcasm. You might want to get more in tune with what's going on before looking like a chatboard noob, lol. Hint: the laughing emoji means something.

In other words, any idea about "free healthcare" is not going to work unless the gov't runs it and uses collected taxes from everyone to run healthcare, and they would most likely need to cut spending on other programs so everyone isn't over taxed to fund "free healthcare" for everyone. And that's in conjunction with a drastic reduction in health care and drug costs, which I already mentioned in a previous post.

Okay, my apologies. In the context of your post, it appeared to me (and others based on likes to my response) that you were promoting the absurd Bernie 'free' concept. I see now that's not the case. I would point out though, that you used that emoji at the end of your criticism of President Trump's letter, and I assume that wasn't sarcasm. So, emoji or no, a post may not relay the message you intend.

 

[GT Pony]

Still holding on to the misconception that a federally defined crime needs to be committed to be impeached I see. It's been shown many times that's not true in order to be impeached. You'd think after all the talk about the Constitution that some of how it operates would sink in. Release the hypnotic hold of your Master, lol.

And of course Trump will be acquitted by the Senate, because they are even more crooked than the Dems and will throw their oaths, morals and ethics out the window to please the Master knowing the ramifications, and to keep their jobs down the road.

Stormy probably would rather have had a cigar.

And in Trump's mind it's fine to commit adultery like Clinton if the wife doesn't find out ... guess that's OK in your mind if Trump does it, but not OK if someone else does it. Just like in his mind and his clans' minds that it's fine to force a forgien country to help him win an upcoming election if nobody finds out. What else has ol' Trumpy done that we haven't found out about?

 

[1MEAN18]

Looks like nearly 3 out of 4 forum members voting in this poll ended up wrong. Trump is now an impeached president. Set that fact aside, will we have a sham trial held in the republican majority Senate now? The Senate leader Mitch McConnell has already clearly stated BEFORE impeachment in the House of Representatives that HE WILL (along with others like S. Carolina senator Lindsay Graham) NOT BE AN IMPARTIAL JURISTS as the CONSTITUTION spells out he must be. A little known fact is (I"m a bit of a history geek myself and have been studying our system of gov't since I was young) that the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, is NOT REQUIRED BY THE CONSTITUTION to send the now voted on articles of impeachment to the Senate in ANY TIME FRAME. Meaning? She can hold onto the articles of impeachment UNTIL AFTER THE 2020 ELECTION if she wants. So all of you Trump cult members out there who are hoping he's allowed to just bully, bluster and threat his way into any behavior he wants without any legal recourse might wanna consider this: If he's re-elected (that's a strong if) but the Senate (which a majority of the R's are up for re-election in 2020 and face some pretty difficult races in their home states) ends up being controlled by Democrats AFTER THE ELECTION, she can then choose to send the 2 articles of impeachment to that Senate, controlled by a majority of Dem's starting on Jan 4th 2021 (when they swear in) for the trial to be held at that time. So a possibility is Trump is narrowly re-elected and could still face REMOVAL FROM OFFICE at that point in time. I personally would like to see her do this, because I was not against impeachment, Trump has obviously lied and manipulated more than Bill Clinton did, and I was a Dem back then who was pissed he lied to me/us about that affair so I wanted him impeached then for his actions, but NOT removed from office....the same as R's now (majority polled on Fox News recently) thought, when asked, the president deserved the impeachment proceedings BUT DID NOT DESERVE REMOVED FROM OFFICE. I feel the same way. Let the voters decide whether this manchild should continue being our president or not. And if Americans do decide that, then the Dem's by all legal Constitutional right can hold the trial and then remove him anyways. And then we can have another election deciding on whether the Dem's should be booted from office for doing so. That's how I'd like to see this work. I'd rather Trump lose in 2020 (as long as its not a socialist Dem who wins) meaning no need for a sham trial in the Senate which is exactly what we'd get if the articles of impeachment are sent to this CURRENT SENATE of spineless lackies who are trying to excuse and explain Trump's willingness to strong arm leaders of other nations to help him hurt politically his political rivals here at home. Our FOREFATHERS put impeachement and potential removal from office in the original CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in for that very reason if you'd like to go back to the time of the late 1700's for an explanation of it. They essentially worried about the very thing Trump HAS DONE, which is using foreign "entanglements to interfere with domestic American politics. I know one thing for sure. The Republican party has no legs to stand on as far as honesty goes, they are no longer the party of fiscal responsibility, they are no longer the party of family, they are no longer the party of individual rights, all of that they've destroyed in 3 years under Trump regardless of this new reality that they also have a leader who's a lifelong con man who is now weakened by this impeachment. All Trump had to do was tell the truth up front, months ago, but a cover up was shown to America and the R's chose to condone it and try to explain it away when they should have seen it for what it was. Criminal in nature, if not in deed, definitely in spirit and not acceptable for Trump, or for a future Dem or Rep president to be doing ever, and not acceptable now. But the R's chose to try and make this acceptable for the here and now, and for the future, a choice I'm sure they will now live to regret when they continue to lose power over the coming years because nothing separates them from the known bad behaviors we've seen from the left over the past few decades. In a nutshell: R's are now just as dishonest and political as the D's have ever been and Americans see that as a reality now. I think the R's are done as a party in America at this point. They will see in '20 and '22 a reckoning over this that will likely wash almost all of them into the drain of history.

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