Will Trump be impeached?

[GT Pony]

Congress can request. Request is legally the same as asking.

So the second article is unconstitutional only because they don’t have that authority.

The article (and other sources, go Google) clearly says that Congress has the authority to oversee and investigate the executive branch. If the executive branch doesn't cooperate in an investigation of justice, then they are obstructing Congress. The Constitution isn't written to allow the executive brance to go unchecked and do whatever they want.

Maybe Congress should exercise the 3rd option discussed in the article, lol.

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[BlackandBlue]

No health care plan, besides through an employer who pays most of the insurance cost for you as part of your compensation package, is going to be "cheap" to you. If you're self employed, you're basically paying what an employer is paying for an employee as part of their compensation package.

Trump really doesn't have a better alternative, because he would have killed the existing health care plan if he did. He just wanted to try and kill Obamacare because it was something Obama did. I haven't heard anything from Trump lately on his "better" health care plan.

Is there a better way to do it? ... probably, but it's not a simple problem to solve. Largest factor in order to cut health care insurance cost for everyone is to regulate the crazy high charges from health care providers and prescription drugs. That's a double edged sword, and maybe impossible to do unless the gov't wants to become the employer of all health care and drug suppliers and operate in the red like the USPS.

If you want cheaper or free health care then vote for Bernie.

400 dollars a month would be cheap to me. Hell 600 I would consider a good deal now. Not over 13k a year with another $6750 tacked on if I get sick. This was purely Obama doings. The system was broken granted but “let’s pass it to see what’s in it” is inexcusable. BTW that’s the same lady running the impeachment show right now.

The problems with healthcare could be solved with 3 easy steps.

1. Cash pricing being the cheapest rate the hospital gives any insurance company.
2. Any procedure must have upfront agreement to total cost in writing. Emergency situations would need special rules.
3. Cash prices posted on hospital websites. Trump signed executive order on this.

Plastic surgery industry uses a model similar to this. So does dentistry for that matter. No crazy cost there.

 

[BlackandBlue]

Trump letter today.


Dear Madam Speaker:

I write to express my strongest and most powerful protest against the partisan impeachment crusade being pursued by the Democrats in the House of Representatives. This impeachment represents an unprecedented and unconstitutional abuse of power by Democrat Lawmakers, unequaled in nearly two and a half centuries of American legislative history.

The Articles of Impeachment introduced by the House Judiciary Committee are not recognizable under any standard of Constitutional theory, interpretation, or jurisprudence. They include no crimes, no misdemeanors, and no offenses whatsoever. You have cheapened the importance of the very ugly word, impeachment!

By proceeding with your invalid impeachment, you are violating your oaths of office, you are breaking your allegiance to the Constitution, and you are declaring open war on American Democracy. You dare to invoke the Founding Fathers in pursuit of this election-nullification scheme—yet your spiteful actions display unfettered contempt for America's founding and your egregious conduct threatens to destroy that which our Founders pledged their very lives to build. Even worse than offending the Founding Fathers, you are offending Americans of faith by continually saying "I pray for the President," when you know this statement is not true, unless it is meant in a negative sense. It is a terrible thing you are doing, but you will have to live with it, not I!

Your first claim, "Abuse of Power," is a completely disingenuous, meritless, and baseless invention of your imagination. You know that I had a totally innocent conversation with the President of Ukraine. I then had a second conversation that has been misquoted, mischaracterized, and fraudulently misrepresented. Fortunately, there was a transcript of the conversation taken, and you know from the transcript (which was immediately made available) that the paragraph in question was perfect. I said to President Zelensky: "I would like you to do us a favor, though, because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it." I said do us a favor, not me, and our country, not a campaign. I then mentioned the Attorney General of the United States. Every time I talk with a foreign leader, I put America's interests first, just as I did with President Zelensky.

You are turning a policy disagreement between two branches of government into an impeachable offense—it is no more legitimate than the Executive Branch charging members of Congress with crimes for the lawful exercise of legislative power.

You know full well that Vice President Biden used his office and $1 billion dollars of U.S. aid money to coerce Ukraine into firing the prosecutor who was digging into the company paying his son millions of dollars. You know this because Biden bragged about it on video. Biden openly stated: "I said, 'I'm telling you, you're not getting the billion dollars' ...I looked at them and said: 'I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money.' Well, son of a bitch. He got fired."

Even Joe Biden admitted just days ago in an interview with NPR that it "looked bad." Now you are trying to impeach me by falsely accusing me of doing what Joe Biden has admitted he actually did.

President Zelensky has repeatedly declared that I did nothing wrong, and that there was No Pressure. He further emphasized that it was a "good phone call," that "I don't feel pressure," and explicitly stressed that "nobody pushed me." The Ukrainian Foreign Minister stated very clearly: "I have never seen a direct link between investigations and security assistance." He also said there was "No Pressure." Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, a supporter of Ukraine who met privately with President Zelensky, has said: -At no time during this meeting...was there any mention by Zelensky or any Ukrainian that they were feeling pressure to do anything in return for the military aid." Many meetings have been held between representatives of Ukraine and our country. Never once did Ukraine complain about pressure being applied—not once!

Ambassador Sondland testified that I told him: "No quid pro quo. I want nothing. I want nothing. I want President Zelensky to do the right thing, do what he ran on."

The second claim, so-called "Obstruction of Congress," is preposterous and dangerous. House Democrats are trying to impeach the duly elected President of the United States for asserting Constitutionally based privileges that have been asserted on a bipartisan basis by administrations of both political parties throughout our Nation's history. Under that standard, every American president would have been impeached many times over. As liberal law professor Jonathan Turley warned when addressing Congressional Democrats: "I can't emphasize this enough... if you impeach a president, if you make a high crime and misdemeanor out of going to the courts, it is an abuse of power. It's your abuse of power. You're doing precisely what you're criticizing the President for doing."

Everyone, you included, knows what is really happening. Your chosen candidate lost the election in 2016, in an Electoral College landslide (306-227), and you and your party have never recovered from this defeat. You have developed a full-fledged case of what many in the media call Trump Derangement Syndrome and sadly, you will never get over it! You are unwilling and unable to accept the verdict issued at the ballot box during the great Election of 2016. So you have spent three straight years attempting to overturn the will of the American people and nullify their votes. You view democracy as your enemy!

Speaker Pelosi, you admitted just last week at a public forum that your party's impeachment effort has been going on for "two and a half years," long before you ever heard about a phone call with Ukraine. Nineteen minutes after I took the oath of office, the Washington Post published a story headlined, "The Campaign to Impeach President Trump Has Begun." Less than three months after my inauguration, Representative Maxine Waters stated, "I'm going to fight every day until he's impeached." House Democrats introduced the first impeachment resolution against me within months of my inauguration, for what will be regarded as one of our country's best decisions, the firing of James Comey (see Inspector General Reports)—who the world now knows is one of the dirtiest cops our Nation has ever seen. A ranting and raving Congresswoman, Rashida Tlaib, declared just hours after she was sworn into office, "We're gonna go in there and we're gonna impeach the motherf'***r." Representative Al Green said in May, -I'm concerned that if we don't impeach this president, he will get re-elected." Again, you and your allies said, and did, all of these things long before you ever heard of President Zelensky or anything related to Ukraine. As you know very well, this impeachment drive has nothing to do with Ukraine, or the totally appropriate conversation I had with its new president. It only has to do with your attempt to undo the election of 2016 and steal the election of 2020!

Congressman Adam Schiff cheated and lied all the way up to the present day, even going so far as to fraudulently make up, out of thin air, my conversation with President Zelensky of Ukraine and read this fantasy language to Congress as though it were said by me. His shameless lies and deceptions, dating all the way back to the Russia Hoax, is one of the main reasons we are here today.

You and your party are desperate to distract from America's extraordinary economy, incredible jobs boom, record stock market, soaring confidence, and flourishing citizens. Your party simply cannot compete with our record: 7 million new jobs; the lowest-ever unemployment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Asian Americans; a rebuilt military; a completely reformed VA with Choice and Accountability for our great veterans; more than 170 new federal judges and two Supreme Court Justices; historic tax and regulation cuts; the elimination of the individual mandate; the first decline in prescription drug prices in half a century; the first new branch of the United States Military since 1947, the Space Force; strong protection of the Second Amendment; criminal justice reform; a defeated ISIS caliphate and the killing of the world's number one terrorist leader, al-Baghdadi; the replacement of the disastrous NAFTA trade deal with the wonderful USMCA (Mexico and Canada); a breakthrough Phase One trade deal with China; massive new trade deals with Japan and South Korea; withdrawal from the terrible Iran Nuclear Deal; cancellation of the unfair and costly Paris Climate Accord; becoming the world's top energy producer; recognition of Israel's capital, opening the American Embassy in Jerusalem, and recognizing Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights; a colossal reduction in illegal border crossings, the ending of Catch-and-Release, and the building of the Southern Border Wall—and that is just the beginning, there is so much more. You cannot defend your extreme policies—open borders, mass migration, high crime, crippling taxes, socialized healthcare, destruction of American energy, late-term taxpayer-funded abortion, elimination of the Second Amendment, radical far-left theories of law and justice, and constant partisan obstruction of both common sense and common good.

There is nothing I would rather do than stop referring to your party as the Do-Nothing Democrats. Unfortunately, I don't know that you will ever give me a chance to do so.

After three years of unfair and unwarranted investigations, 45 million dollars spent, 18 angry Democrat prosecutors, the entire force of the FBI, headed by leadership now proven to be totally incompetent and corrupt, you have found NOTHING! Few people in high position could have endured or passed this test. You do not know, nor do you care, the great damage and hurt you have inflicted upon wonderful and loving members of my family. You conducted a fake investigation upon the democratically elected President of the United States, and you are doing it yet again.

There are not many people who could have taken the punishment inflicted during this period of time, and yet done so much for the success of America and its citizens. But instead of putting our country first, you have decided to disgrace our country still further. You completely failed with the Mueller report because there was nothing to find, so you decided to take the next hoax that came along, the phone call with Ukraine—even though it was a perfect call. And by the way, when I speak to foreign countries, there are many people, with permission, listening to the call on both sides of the conversation.

You are the ones interfering in America's elections. You are the ones subverting America's Democracy. You are the ones Obstructing Justice. You are the ones bringing pain and suffering to our Republic for your own selfish personal, political, and partisan gain.

Before the Impeachment Hoax, it was the Russian Witch Hunt. Against all evidence, and regardless of the truth, you and your deputies claimed that my campaign colluded with the Russians—a grave, malicious, and slanderous lie, a falsehood like no other. You forced our Nation through turmoil and torment over a wholly fabricated story, illegally purchased from a foreign spy by Hillary Clinton and the DNC in order to assault our democracy. Yet, when the monstrous lie was debunked and this Democrat conspiracy dissolved into dust, you did not apologize. You did not recant. You did not ask to be forgiven. You showed no remorse, no capacity for self-reflection. Instead, you pursued your next libelous and vicious crusade—you engineered an attempt to frame and defame an innocent person. All of this was motivated by personal political calculation. Your Speakership and your party are held hostage by your most deranged and radical representatives of the far left. Each one of your members lives in fear of a socialist primary challenger - this is what is driving impeachment. Look at Congressman Nadler's challenger. Look at yourself and others. Do not take our country down with your party.

If you truly cared about freedom and liberty for our Nation, then you would be devoting your vast investigative resources to exposing the full truth concerning the FBI's horrifying abuses of power before, during, and after the 2016 election—including the use of spies against my campaign, the submission of false evidence to a FISA court, and the concealment of exculpatory evidence in order to frame the innocent. The FBI has great and honorable people, but the leadership was inept and corrupt. I would think that you would personally be appalled by these revelations, because in your press conference the day you announced impeachment, you tied the impeachment effort directly to the completely discredited Russia Hoax, declaring twice that "all roads lead to Putin," when you know that is an abject lie. I have been far tougher on Russia than President Obama ever even thought to be.

Any member of Congress who votes in support of impeachment - against every shred of truth, fact, evidence, and legal principle - is showing how deeply they revile the voters and how truly they detest America's Constitutional order. Our Founders feared the tribalization of partisan politics, and you are bringing their worst fears to life.

Worse still, I have been deprived of basic Constitutional Due Process from the beginning of this impeachment scam right up until the present. I have been denied the most fundamental rights afforded by the Constitution, including the right to present evidence, to have my own counsel present, to confront accusers, and to call and cross-examine witnesses, like the so-called whistleblower who started this entire hoax with a false report of the phone call that bears no relationship to the actual phone call that was made. Once I presented the transcribed call, which surprised and shocked the fraudsters (they never thought that such evidence would be presented), the so-called whistleblower, and the second whistleblower, disappeared because they got caught, their report was a fraud, and they were no longer going to be made available to us. In other words, once the phone call was made public, your whole plot blew up, but that didn't stop you from continuing.

More due process was afforded to those accused in the Salem Witch Trials.

You and others on your committees have long said impeachment must be bipartisan—it is not. You said it was very divisive—it certainly is, even far more than you ever thought possible—and it will only get worse!

This is nothing more than an illegal, partisan attempted coup that will, based on recent sentiment, badly fail at the voting booth. You are not just after me, as President, you are after the entire Republican Party. But because of this colossal injustice, our party is more united than it has ever been before. History will judge you harshly as you proceed with this impeachment charade. Your legacy will be that of turning the House of Representatives from a revered legislative body into a Star Chamber of partisan persecution.

Perhaps most insulting of all is your false display of solemnity. You apparently have so little respect for the American People that you expect them to believe that you are approaching this impeachment somberly, reservedly, and reluctantly. No intelligent person believes what you are saying. Since the moment I won the election, the Democrat Party has been possessed by Impeachment Fever. There is no reticence. This is not a somber affair. You are making a mockery of impeachment and you are scarcely concealing your hatred of me, of the Republican Party, and tens of millions of patriotic Americans. The voters are wise, and they are seeing straight through this empty, hollow, and dangerous game you are playing.

I have no doubt the American people will hold you and the Democrats fully responsible in the upcoming 2020 election. They will not soon forgive your perversion of justice and abuse of power.

There is far too much that needs to be done to improve the lives of our citizens. It is time for you and the highly partisan Democrats in Congress to immediately cease this impeachment fantasy and get back to work for the American People. While I have no expectation that you will do so, I write this letter to you for the purpose of history and to put my thoughts on a permanent and indelible record.

One hundred years from now, when people look back at this affair, I want them to understand it, and learn from it, so that it can never happen to another President again.

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[GT Pony]

Re: Dear Mr. Trump, about your letter ... it's all a bunch if smoke with a lot of unproven conspiracy theories and misconceptions in your head. You also need to study and understand the Constitution along with your supporters. It's the Constitution of the United States, not the Constitution of Donald J. Trump.

You need to allow a full Senate trial to occur and allow all called people from both sides to testify to prove your stance. You're just a triggered big cry baby that tries to lie, cheat, whine and moan your way out of trouble. Mr. Trump, go to and allow a fair Senate court trial and prove what you've said in your letter. We know the Senate trial will be the biggest kangaroo court yet, so congrats on that.

Writing a letter like that makes you look like (actually shows that) you're a desparate snowflake executing a last ditch scheme that's just grasping at straw.

 

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GT pony has drunk the Socialist Democrats kool aid

 

[2018OFPP1?2]

My insurance was 155 in 2010.

Today it’s 1127 a month.

Don’t talk to me about corporatism.

Nancy Pelosi Says Obamacare Must be Passed to ‘Find Out What Is in It’.

Trump hasn’t cost me a 100k yet.

I will admit healthcare has been broken since Medicare/Medicaid was created. As soon as the government gets involved in anything cost spiral. Another example is government backed college loans.

Single payer/government healthcare would be a disaster. Ask Canadian or English about their system. They answer is it’s great if you don’t need it quickly.

The preexisting condition clause is what destroyed cost. Health people paying as much as obese/unhealthy people is the true problem.

Another oversight of Obamacare was expecting the young to subsidize the old. The reality is the young just didn’t get insurance because they didn’t need it. This lowering/capping of old folks rates without the offsetting of younger people paying a high rate left a huge hole in the cost.

Besides that Obamacare but huge burdens on small hospitals and clinics with massive labor involved with coding and administrative requirements. Larger hospitals have the ability to scale and offset cost. This decreases profit margins on smaller business and opens them to mergers/buyouts from larger hospitals. The healthcare industry is consolidating at an alarming rate. The extinction of smaller hospitals is going to happen.

Trump has done several good things to reign in cost. Making hospitals post preciouses prices on their website. Require drug companies to show drug prices when advertising drugs.

The biggest yet is making insurance companies and providers list the prices they negotiate. The deals are closely guarded and very hidden. This one has tremendous opposition but would level the playing ground between smaller insurers and larger ones. Completion is the goal.

The hate I have toward the democrats has to do with the fact they actually hurt me. They cost me a large amount of money every month.

My premiums go up between 6-12% every year. Some years much more.

You have been hurt by ACA you just don’t realize it. Increasing healthcare cost is raises you don’t get.

The only way you don't realize it, is if you are on the receiving end, and then you don't care about those of us paying for it.

Before ACA, my yearly medical insurance cost me $3,000 a year. Now it costs me $14,000 a year. I'm not a millionaire.

Fuck obama, and anyone who supports Democrats and their socialist agenda.

 

[BlackandBlue]

The only way you don't realize it, is if you are on the receiving end, and then you don't care about those of us paying for it.

Before ACA, my yearly medical insurance cost me $3,000 a year. Now it costs me $14,000 a year. I'm not a millionaire.

Fuck obama, and anyone who supports Democrats and their socialist agenda.

Funny you say the millionaire part.

I figured this a couple years ago.

Without including further increases in premium cost

Obamacare will cost me $1,018,000 by the time I turn 65.

Thats figuring it cost me 65k already.
5% return on money
$875 a month worth of extra cost.

Add in further increases and I’m sure it’s over 2 million.

Fun times.

 

[2018OFPP1?2]

If you want cheaper or free health care then vote for Bernie.

Ignorant. No way it gets cheaper for the payers. We pay more so broke fucks pay less/nothing.

ETA: "free". Are you fucking kidding me? Show me how to make "free" money. Moron.

 

[2018OFPP1?2]

Funny you say the millionaire part.

I figured this a couple years ago.

Without including further increases in premium cost

Obamacare will cost me $1,018,000 by the time I turn 65.

Thats figuring it cost me 65k already.
5% return on money
$875 a month worth of extra cost.

Add in further increases and I’m sure it’s over 2 million.

Fun times.

Exactly. Your future prosperity is sacrificed for the good of the 'commune'. Welcome to socialism/communism.

 

[watisthis]

Ignorant. No way it gets cheaper for the payers. We pay more so broke fucks pay less/nothing.

ETA: "free". Are you fucking kidding me? Show me how to make "free" money. Moron.

Calls someone ignorant than proceeded to give them his opinion without showing proof, ironic?

Not to say you're wrong, but can you prove you would pay more? I wouldn't just assume something would work or fail without having a hypothesis.

 

[2018OFPP1?2]

Calls someone ignorant than proceeded to give them his opinion without showing proof, ironic?

Not to say you're wrong, but can you prove you would pay more? I wouldn't just assume something would work or fail without having a hypothesis.

Did you miss the part where I said it costs me $11,000 a year more now for health insurance as a direct result of ACA?

How about @BlackandBlue? Did you see his calculation that thanks to ACA his medical insurance will cost him in excess of an additional $1M by the time he retires if nothing changes.

It's not a hypothesis. We are living it, and we aren't happy about it.

 

[watisthis]

Did you miss the part where I said it costs me $11,000 a year more now for health insurance as a direct result of ACA?

How about @BlackandBlue? Did you see his calculation that thanks to ACA his medical insurance will cost him in excess of an additional $1M by the time he retires if nothing changes.

It's not a hypothesis. We are living it, and we aren't happy about it.

I don't think I missed anything. You said Bernies 4% of income over 29k would be more costly. Your premiums would be way less and you wouldn't have to worry about switching jobs, however, this requires everyone to buy in. This would be instead of medicare taxes, monthly premiums, deductibles, copayments, coinsurance, and any other out of pocket cost I am forgetting.

4% for full healthcare with no subsides. You'd most likely have better coverage too.

I forget what employers % is as I just skimmed through the 80-100 pages of his healthcare plan.

 

[watisthis]

I'd end ups paying more as I make an above avg salary in the DC area, but I'm more than happy to. Especially considering how much I'd save without co-pays and deductibles. Insurance premiums are already a payroll tax, so what's the difference? The health care system is already a death sentence or a life long debt sentence for many poor and working class families. I don't understand how people can defend a system like that, to me it's the right thing to do. How'd that JFK quote about 'ask not' go?

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