Vlad Soare
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Yeah, until then. Or until the sky falls. Whichever comes first.
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There's only two places where I will ever intentionally do any 'throttle steering'. One of them is on a deserted, snow-covered parking lot.I will take fun over fast anytime.
You want fast? Buy a plane ticket.
Fast under control is more fun than you're giving it credit for.I will take fun over fast anytime.
You want fast? Buy a plane ticket.
Will disagree with that, we are not talking drifting or power oversteer but using the throttle for rotating the car earlier going through the apex. some more detailed explanation belowIt may be the fun way, but it's not the fast way.
Norm
I think that there is some confusion between power oversteer and throttle steeringbut that is a MILE away from oversteer.
Perfectly clear here, particularly with your other explanation (quoted below for clarity). Though the difference is really just one of 'degree' and dependent on driver skill.I think that there is some confusion between power oversteer and throttle steering
I'm reasonably aware of the physics involved, and I'd still prefer to take my throttle steering with a car that has a minimally understeerish nature as opposed to one with an oversteerish understeer budget. Basically, you're 'tricking' an understeerish car into behaving like it's oversteerish, with full-time control input being necessary to put it there and keep it there. It's not an inherently stable or self-limiting condition.It is important to emphasize that throttle steering requires smooth and gentle manipulation of the gas pedal. Your initial attempts at throttle steering will likely result in no oversteer at all. As your confidence increases you will likely have too little or too much oversteer.
FastFwd, any update on this? I'm in the same boat wanting to square a PP1 magnaride.When I bought my aftermarket wheels (SVE 19x10) to mount the stock summer tires for my PP1 I was thinking in terms of running a square setup one day so I could rotate them and hopefully benefit from any handling performance gains.
What exactly would I encounter if I actually did that (275 on all four corners)? I've got Magnaride with a PP1 is there anything calibrated specifically for the 255's up front that I would need to worry about?
I caught the world's tiniest screw in one of my front PS4s and I'm super bummed out about it being on the shoulder of the tire where it can't be fixed to retain the speed rating, etc.
So, I'm revisiting the possibility of going squared way sooner than I thought I might ever do it.
....what????????????Yeah not really. Our cars tends to understear sona bigger front is what we do at the roadcourse events.
Also a squared setup allow you rotate wheels for better wearing.
Of course with same pffset (using hubcentric spacers)
A pp1 is not a track oriented car. That is whynisna perf package and not a track package.
Same for pp2. (Lots of overheating issues)
A track oriented car is the 350 and latest models came 305 squared i believe.
A squared set up requires some adjustment in the front especially for offset and camber.
A staggered car has some advantages for street
1. Easy plug and play after market wheel choices. (Usually 19x10 and 19x11)
2. Lower tire costs. (Some are smaller)
3. Having big tires in the rear helps you for drag racing (also smaller front =less rotational mass)
And that's it
Alex
What did you end up going with?Just as the title reads. I'm hearing the racing guys prefer 275 squared. So why would Ford make their PP1 staggered? Base and PP2 are squared.
Ford is not the only one providing staggered setups. BMW, Porsche, Lotus, Mercedes to name some.Ford is not in the business of making great sport cars. They, like every other company, are in the business of making money.
Staggered tire size = understeer = safer car = sell more cars = more money
Mileage sucks…I smile at this thread. If a person is concerned about getting the absolute most mileage out of a set of tires; square setup is the way to go "usually"; just make sure you rotate them regularly. On the other hand, there is a reason that some cars come with staggered set-ups, other than looks.
I am pretty sure that manufacturers that build a car with 335/25R20 on the rear, and 285/30R19 on the fronts (really staggered) tuned the suspension for those sizes.
With that having been said; some of our Mustangs come staggered and some don't. I guess a person can pick what they think is best for achieving whatever it is they are after.
What...what?....what????????????