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Squared is generally better for handling but on the street staggered is cheaper and better for drag racing which is what most people use these cars for.
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technically PP2 are staggered wheels (10.5/11) just with the same size tire front/rear. It's a throwback to tradition and bench racing. It's also a nod toward deliberate understeer. "muscle car" == Phat rear tire just because, reasons.
Car should have come with 19x10 squared on 275 or 285 width.
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Yeah not really. Our cars tends to understear sona bigger front is what we do at the roadcourse events.
Also a squared setup allow you rotate wheels for better wearing.
Of course with same pffset (using hubcentric spacers)
A pp1 is not a track oriented car. That is whynisna perf package and not a track package.
Same for pp2. (Lots of overheating issues)
A track oriented car is the 350 and latest models came 305 squared i believe.
A squared set up requires some adjustment in the front especially for offset and camber.
A staggered car has some advantages for street
1. Easy plug and play after market wheel choices. (Usually 19x10 and 19x11)
2. Lower tire costs. (Some are smaller)
3. Having big tires in the rear helps you for drag racing (also smaller front =less rotational mass)
And that's it
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4. A little extra margin against unskilled drivers putting themselves into a power-induced oversteer condition that they can't handle (especially with forced induction). Sometimes it's enough, sometimes it's not.
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The simple answer for a moderately powerful front engine RWD car is that the front end is the heavy end, it's the end with poorer camber geometry, and it's the end that gets the whole cornering business started. All three of which become arguments for making the front tires no smaller or narrower than the rear tires.
It can become a different story when power (torque, actually) levels rise beyond some point, or when driver skill might be a bit suspect.
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it's not like there isn't 30 years of film of Mustang drivers keeping the front and rear axles calmly in-line while exiting grocery and hardware store parking lots.
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Ford is not in the business of making great sport cars. They, like every other company, are in the business of making money.
Staggered tire size = understeer = safer car = sell more cars = more money
The Mustang GT is known for being a sporty car affordable to the masses. The average person is not necessarily a skilled driver and can often get themselves in trouble quickly with a 460hp RWD car that can be had for roughly $40k. If Ford, by design, makes the car understeer at the limit, the car will ultimately be easier to control for the average consumer. Understeer is always safer than oversteer and a safer car tends to sell better than a car known for spinning.
This is also why almost every commuter car is FWD, because FWD tends to understeer at the limit which is safer. That and FWD cars are cheaper to produce.
Look at any modern car on the road, they pretty much ALL have some amount of rear camber and zero front camber. This is intentional to make the car understeer at the limit and again, make the car easier to control when traction is lost.
Also, no one prefers 275. Not sure where you got that from. 305 or even 315 is the standard for go-fast S550 mustangs
Staggered tire size = understeer = safer car = sell more cars = more money
The Mustang GT is known for being a sporty car affordable to the masses. The average person is not necessarily a skilled driver and can often get themselves in trouble quickly with a 460hp RWD car that can be had for roughly $40k. If Ford, by design, makes the car understeer at the limit, the car will ultimately be easier to control for the average consumer. Understeer is always safer than oversteer and a safer car tends to sell better than a car known for spinning.
This is also why almost every commuter car is FWD, because FWD tends to understeer at the limit which is safer. That and FWD cars are cheaper to produce.
Look at any modern car on the road, they pretty much ALL have some amount of rear camber and zero front camber. This is intentional to make the car understeer at the limit and again, make the car easier to control when traction is lost.
Also, no one prefers 275. Not sure where you got that from. 305 or even 315 is the standard for go-fast S550 mustangs
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no reason. Some people want more/less sidewall stretch. If you have a soft sidewall tire (eg. Conti) a little stretch may tighten up the feel and initial turn-in feedback.
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The sidewall is stretched to meet a larger wheel width or oppositely the side wall is pinched to meet a narrow wheel width. The contact patch of the tire remains the same though and that's the part that meets the pavement.
A 275 on a 8" wheels is pinched but a 275 on a 11" wheels is stretched but in both cases you have roughly 275mm of contact patch.
That being said, the car will perform differently based on the condition of the sidewall
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Tires are measured on specific-width wheels, and this varies by nominal tire size. So "stretched really doesn't apply to the initial mounting of a tire.
The only consistent means of defining "stretched" would be when the wheel is wider than the so-called "measuring width" wheel. And in fact, even the tire's sidewall "stretches out" by about 40% of the increase in wheel width (40% of the amount further apart you push the beads).
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