WARNING! Apex Headstud Failures!

[zero_chance]

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[zero_chance]

That is crazy!

I wish vendors would look at these things more seriously. I messaged beefcake about this thread and heard nothing.

I hope people find this thread and stay away from apex. Worth it to spend the extra for the arp headstuds.

Where have you found other people having issues?

Beefcake is the one that took down the allegedly incorrect torque specs back in January from their site. Seems like other folks had the same specs and sequence after that.

 

[tdstuart]

Beefcake is the one that took down the allegedly incorrect torque specs back in January from their site. Seems like other folks had the same specs and sequence after that.

Apex sent me the 74, 92 torque spec sequence with their instructions in the box. So if it is actually incorrect then Apex messed up and they should have done a recall. I remember because I actually messaged beefcake to double-check that the spec was in ft/lbs because they didn't specify.

IMO they should do a recall on these. They now know of at least 3 failures of their headstuds. They just care about the money and don't care if someone's engine breaks because of their faulty headstuds, they would rather try to dodge the reputation hit.

 

[zero_chance]

Yeah I just wanted two replacement studs for my client and maybe an assist with extraction charges but they said it was my fault and actually got my client to believe it. I have enjoyed sending them an email with these links and pics. And watch out Travis might try to sue us all for defamation even though everything here is factual.

 

[tdstuart]

Yeah I just wanted two replacement studs for my client and maybe an assist with extraction charges but they said it was my fault and actually got my client to believe it. I have enjoyed sending them an email with these links and pics. And watch out Travis might try to sue us all for defamation even though everything here is factual.

I doubt he would sue. It would make it a lot more public. There should have been a torque sequence and torque specs in the box with the headstuds. Don't know how he could argue against his own spec.

 

[zero_chance]

He just assumes people will be scared, he even mentioned what the state of Texas pays per defamatory statement. Didn’t have a response when I advised him that factual and verifiably true statements are unable to be considered defamatory under any legal statute, regardless of state. Called the substantial truth doctrine.

 

[zero_chance]

I doubt he would sue. It would make it a lot more public. There should have been a torque sequence and torque specs in the box with the headstuds. Don't know how he could argue against his own spec.

His argument was that the 74/92 was only for one specific set of fasteners and that no one should have that info publicly as it’s wrong. He then admitted in writing that he did in fact provide those very same specs to Beefcake. He has no leg to stand on and apparently too much pride to admit there’s an obvious defect with their highly touted custom alloy. Maybe their redesign will be better.

 

[tdstuart]

His argument was that the 74/92 was only for one specific set of fasteners and that no one should have that info publicly as it’s wrong. He then admitted in writing that he did in fact provide those very same specs to Beefcake. He has no leg to stand on and apparently too much pride to admit there’s an obvious defect with their highly touted custom alloy. Maybe their redesign will be better.

Very weird I don't know why he would say they are wrong then include them in their instructions they ship out. Did he ever tell you what they are supposed to be?

 

[zero_chance]

Very weird I don't know why he would say they are wrong then include them in their instructions they ship out. Did he ever tell you what they are supposed to be?

He did pass on some 3 stage lower torque settings through my client that were alleged to be “correct.” May have been trying to avoid the previous torque settings failures.

 

[tdstuart]

He did pass on some 3 stage lower torque settings through my client that were alleged to be “correct.” May have been trying to avoid the previous torque settings failures.

Interesting considering how high arp suggests you torque them. Although now that I am thinking about it arp has you lube the threads whereas apex keeps them dry.

So already at the dry 94 lb/ft vs wet 125 lb/ft the arp bolts are clamping a lot more. If apex is further reducing their torque... By my bad math, the arp bolts are torqued 2x+ as much as the apex.

 

[zero_chance]

Interesting considering how high arp suggests you torque them. Although now that I am thinking about it arp has you lube the threads whereas apex keeps them dry.

So already at the dry 94 lb/ft vs wet 125 lb/ft the arp bolts are clamping a lot more. If apex is further reducing their torque... By my bad math, the arp bolts are torqued 2x+ as much as the apex.

I did throw those facts out at him and he promptly dismissed ARP as inferior and stated they use different coatings so it wouldn't be the same. Literally even said, through my client, that "torque doesn't matter" after saying I over torqued them.

 

[zero_chance]

I have a junk block here, wish I had a single Apex and ARP to do a head to head for posterity.

 

[SolarFlare]

Another potential apex stud failure on a fresh gen3 bottom end and not crazy boost. I don’t even think it made 800

 

[Joshinator99]

Given ARP’s incredible record of quality that literally spans decades, it’ll be a cold day in hell before I use anything else.

 

[tdstuart]

Given ARP’s incredible record of quality that literally spans decades, it’ll be a cold day in hell before I use anything else.

Yep, and this experience further backs it up.

It sucks that instead of admitting their product has some defect they blame the customer and don't do anything to fix their problems.

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