Vibration between 50 & 70 mph

[347CobraII]

There you go ... any good dealership should have an experienced vibration guy, who would (hopefully) follow any documented trouble-shooting guidelines like those in the service manual.

Doesn't mean it always suffices 100% without a supplementary TSB. If that was the case, there would never have been the invention of TSBs, which are supposed to give even more details and guidelines beyond what's normanly in a basic service manual.

You still don't know what TSB is I can tell that just from your posts. To explain them to you is pointless.

People who refuse to take there vehicle in makes it harder for Ford to see issue's or problems. Then go on forums ranting but do nothing how do this solve anything IT DON'T

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[Oxwhite5.0]

You still don't know what TSB is I can tell that just from your posts. To explain them to you is pointless.

People who refuse to take there vehicle in makes it harder for Ford to see issue's or problems. Then go on forums ranting but do nothing how do this solve anything IT DON'T

Did you miss the multitude of posts that go into detail about each person's dealer visit(some multiple and months long)? Get over yourself and stop being pretentious. Your post history shows nothing but bitching and argument. If you don't like the thread or what people are posting then don't read it. You bitching about people not taking it to the dealer is doing as much good as the people that aren't taking their cars in.

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[Juben]

Did you miss the multitude of posts that go into detail about each person's dealer visit(some multiple and months long)? Get over yourself and stop being pretentious. Your post history shows nothing but bitching and argument. If you don't like the thread or what people are posting then don't read it. You bitching about people not taking it to the dealer is doing as much good as the people that aren't taking their cars in.

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[347CobraII]

Did you miss the multitude of posts that go into detail about each person's dealer visit(some multiple and months long)? Get over yourself and stop being pretentious. Your post history shows nothing but bitching and argument. If you don't like the thread or what people are posting then don't read it. You bitching about people not taking it to the dealer is doing as much good as the people that aren't taking their cars in.

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Are you done yet??????????? You wake up early from your nap???????? Sure a lot of crying from you over nothing.

Most don't understand how system works what is it takes. They think it's soooooo easy just write TSB your done. I have talked to actual guy who writes TSB's, recalls and Bulletins for what I work on. It's not simple like so many think it should be you be surprised all what is involved. Then with have the ones that just complain and do nothing. Wasn't bitching not even close but you most certainly was. My point is Manufacturer can't fix a problem if people refuse to bring vehicle in. To find causes, problem area that may need addressed they need data. Also more who complain about issue's in certain area will get more attention it gets. We know Manufacture read car forums see people complaining that won't fix vehicle.

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[GT Pony]

You still don't know what TSB is I can tell that just from your posts. To explain them to you is pointless.

People who refuse to take there vehicle in makes it harder for Ford to see issue's or problems. Then go on forums ranting but do nothing how do this solve anything IT DON'T

I've been involved with TSBs way more than you can imagine. I think you are too wound up over it all anyway - telling people to stop complaining etc ... who are you to even go there. People are definitely upset over the vibration issue, and rightly so for the most part.

If Ford was smart, they would write a TSB for the vibration problem, just like they did for the inadequate cooled seat issue. They have plenty of experience righting TSBs, it's nothing new for them ore any other car manufacturer. If nothing else, a TSB gives the dealerships the heads up that there is a vibration problem with quite a few of these cars, and a logical way to approach and fix the problem.

As it stands now, it sounds very ineffective in the way some of these dealerships go about trying to trouble-shoot and fix the problem. Frankly, I think some dealerships are totally incapable of going about how to even begin to trouble-shoot the root cause. I guess you like chaos and confusion instead of knowledgeable direction (which a TSB would provide) when it comes to fixing problems. :doh:

 

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[347CobraII]

I've been involved with TSBs way more than you can imagine. I think you are too wound up over it all anyway - telling people to stop complaining etc ... who are you to even go there. People are definitely upset over the vibration issue, and rightly so for the most part.

Calm down and stop putting words in my mouth. You hate me only because I don't agree with you so get over it. People complaining fine but do nothing about it is what I said and that's crazy part. Go and be upset and rant and rave but still doesn't fix the issue. I look at from both sides not OH big bad company out too get me. Talking to service dept and Ford can go along ways.

I took mine in just yesterday but my car has very slight vibration but atleast it's on record. Did take service guy on road test. They did basic checks, tires runout and balance, wheel bearings, driveshaft runout, 1/2 shafts and etc. Mine vibrates more when hot and on long drives but droning sound coming through the car was worst part. Now droning sound is less now after putting catback on Corsa Extreme while cruising. Should have put stock back on not able to get inside garage.

Still at least it's on record and Ford can see that. THAT'S far better than not taking it in.

 

[888mustang]

347 Cobra, I agree that everyone with a vibration problem should bring there car in so Ford knows.But PLEASE lets not have any personal attacks on anybody it doesnt help anybody. I think we have to get the word out to pressure Ford .So post often and take those cars in that have a problem!!! Also post on carcomplaints.com quite a few people use that site before buying a car. If Ford starts to get bad publicity about the Mustang they will move a lot quicker.

 

[Lsumba97]

Is this thread for finding out what's wrong with our mustangs or finding out who knows more about TSBs?? Honestly, I know nothing about the grammatical structure of a TSB and more importantly, the info certainly hasn't helped me understand the problem (nor has it added value to this thread).

So, bringing the topic back to what we all are really here for, I'd like to provide an update on my "mustang adventure."

Brought my 2016 GT back in on Friday 3/25, vibration was still occurring (DS replaced on 3/17) specifically at 50mph, but continuing through 60mph, but decreasing through 70mph where it seemed to dissipate completely. The diagnosis was a bad "trans output flange." Brought back in on 3/29 - replaced trans output flange, seal and retaining nut. This did fix the "clank" that I was having when shifting from P to R, but vibration still persists in the 50-60mph range.

Called the dealership today - they are stumped. They said they were going to do additional research and get back to me. They seem to be open to looking at all potential resources for an answer. A couple of questions I have are:

1) From an earlier post, it sounded like the "runout on the driveshaft" can sometimes be the culprit - is this likely? Is this something they should look at? Is it something that can be adjusted?

2) Should I request for them to schedule an appointment with a Ford engineer? Is that something that I can ask them to do or do they have to come to that conclusion?

3) Could it really be a tire balance issue? Every out-of-balance tire I've ever had felt out-of-balance at any speed - the specific range of 50-60mph really leads me to believe that this would be a waste of time. Any suggestions?

I am very thankful that these guys at my dealership have been so open-minded about addressing this issue. My hope is that all of you who are having this problem will find a dealership or at least a tech staff that operate the same way.

Any comments or guidance is welcome (except any more superfluous TSB nonsense ... had to give that dead horse another kick). Thanks!

 

[347CobraII]

347 Cobra, I agree that everyone with a vibration problem should bring there car in so Ford knows.But PLEASE lets not have any personal attacks on anybody it doesnt help anybody. I think we have to get the word out to pressure Ford .So post often and take those cars in that have a problem!!! Also post on carcomplaints.com quite a few people use that site before buying a car. If Ford starts to get bad publicity about the Mustang they will move a lot quicker.

If I was to do personal attack I wouldn't dance around it 1/2 way I would flat out do it.... They hate because I don't agree with them if I did I would be cool.

Yes they need to bring vehicle in it helps move along process. Specially since Mustang is sold to world now.

 

[347CobraII]

Is this thread for finding out what's wrong with our mustangs or finding out who knows more about TSBs?? Honestly, I know nothing about the grammatical structure of a TSB and more importantly, the info certainly hasn't helped me understand the problem (nor has it added value to this thread).

So, bringing the topic back to what we all are really here for, I'd like to provide an update on my "mustang adventure."

Brought my 2016 GT back in on Friday 3/25, vibration was still occurring (DS replaced on 3/17) specifically at 50mph, but continuing through 60mph, but decreasing through 70mph where it seemed to dissipate completely. The diagnosis was a bad "trans output flange." Brought back in on 3/29 - replaced trans output flange, seal and retaining nut. This did fix the "clank" that I was having when shifting from P to R, but vibration still persists in the 50-60mph range.

Called the dealership today - they are stumped. They said they were going to do additional research and get back to me. They seem to be open to looking at all potential resources for an answer. A couple of questions I have are:

1) From an earlier post, it sounded like the "runout on the driveshaft" can sometimes be the culprit - is this likely? Is this something they should look at? Is it something that can be adjusted?

2) Should I request for them to schedule an appointment with a Ford engineer? Is that something that I can ask them to do or do they have to come to that conclusion?

3) Could it really be a tire balance issue? Every out-of-balance tire I've ever had felt out-of-balance at any speed - the specific range of 50-60mph really leads me to believe that this would be a waste of time. Any suggestions?

I am very thankful that these guys at my dealership have been so open-minded about addressing this issue. My hope is that all of you who are having this problem will find a dealership or at least a tech staff that operate the same way.

Any comments or guidance is welcome (except any more superfluous TSB nonsense ... had to give that dead horse another kick). Thanks!

Problem in my area and around it no one has vibration analyzer which makes it 50% harder for them to find it. That's why Ford has them change out parts. Vibration analyzer not tool not required tool. Yes manufacture do send tools and charge dealer have no choice to pay. Like us send us 3 break harness at 2500.00 for each that we can't use no room to hook them up. My dealer group of 5 dealerships has one that we all share. Now only if I can get them to let me borrow it.

I checked runout on mine was in spec only got 0.009 and max is 0.040. This is listed in general procedures for driveshaft runout and balancing. Mine has slight vibration worst in hot weather and long drive it vibrates rear view mirror slightly and droning sound was bad at 55mph. BUT it did this before I changed catback and now it changed vibration to very slight and droning sound I say 90% gone. I change catback last fall was only able to barely drive it 2 weeks before snow hit. I have training class at corporate in May it's 2 hr drive I will see what it does.

Can exhaust be the cause yes. Now that cats are built on to headers now without joint between them could transmit noise. This has been already be proven but I have ran into this myself long before being said on here.

 

[347CobraII]

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[GT Pony]

Calm down and stop putting words in my mouth. You hate me only because I don't agree with you so get over it. People complaining fine but do nothing about it is what I said and that's crazy part. Go and be upset and rant and rave but still doesn't fix the issue. I look at from both sides not OH big bad company out too get me. Talking to service dept and Ford can go along ways.

I never said the guys who are complaining but never go to the dealer are justified. I'm taking about the guys who have been back to the dealership 3 or 4 or 5 times and they still can't find the problem. Or the guys who are told by the dealership that it's "normal" and they can't do anything about it.

The point is, if Ford had a TSB out that helped some of these dealerships step through the trouble-shooting and home in on the right fix then there would less frustration from the customers. Just look how many guys just on this chat board have been to the dealer or multiple dealers many times and still no real fix. And how many guys here have went down the buy-back route with Ford over it. It's pretty sad actually.

 

[GT Pony]

Is this thread for finding out what's wrong with our mustangs or finding out who knows more about TSBs?? Honestly, I know nothing about the grammatical structure of a TSB and more importantly, the info certainly hasn't helped me understand the problem (nor has it added value to this thread).

Called the dealership today - they are stumped. They said they were going to do additional research and get back to me. They seem to be open to looking at all potential resources for an answer. A couple of questions I have are:

Any comments or guidance is welcome (except any more superfluous TSB nonsense ... had to give that dead horse another kick). Thanks!

Maybe if your dealer had a TSB for the problem they wouldn't be "stumped". Now you know what a TSB is for.

 

[347CobraII]

They could throw TSB together to make people happy and still not be right. Have seen TSB wrote up to make people happy that really did nothing. But people took it as a fix never complained again but problem still there.

I call them people TSB it fixes them but not real issue LOL

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