V8 potential problems coming? [ADMIN WARNING: *** NO POLITICS ***]

[sk47]

The problem is if point A is NYC and point B is LA. I'd hate to think how many hours of lost time is wasted fast charging the EV to 80% and then continuing the journey where the ICE vehicle is refueled in 5 minutes each time.

Hello; the best answer may be to have an ICE somewhere to travel in.

Over the road trucking will be a challenge as EV. Some sort of balance between the weight of the batteries needed and payload will have to be done. Likely dropping the payload a lot.

Maybe over the road truckers will be like the pony express of days of old. Every 80 miles or so they switch out an EV tractor ???

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[Garfy]

Yes that is correct, but that doesn't mean we shouldn`t develop the technology. Because eventually we will reach a point where some of our energy can come from a sustainable source.

For me I kind of careless about the pollution side of this. I am more interested in the technology aspect of electric cars. They last longer, more powerful, need less maintenance and do not have exhaust. For the average consumer who could careless the visceral experience from a gas engine, its just a better setup. BUT they cost way to much, we lack public charging, charging takes to long, and the infrastructure might not be ready for everyone to make the jump.

So yes I partially agree with what people are saying here.

I'm not anti-EV, as it does have its place. I am against government mandating things like trying to ban ICE-powered vehicles. We need them all; throwing everything into one basket is where catastrophic consequences await. Just as we should not be putting power generation into only "green" methods like solar and wind; we need nuclear, hydro, geothermal, petroleum-based, etc. methods all together.

 

[Garfy]

I guarantee you, there is no mass movement to EVs. It cannot happen. We do not have the electrical generation or distribution capacity to handle even 5% EVs.

ICE vehicles aren't going anywhere, and they're not obsolete.

The reason you're seeing manufacturers talk about switching to EVs, is they want to kill the dealership sales model and move to direct sales, like Tesla. Ford is leading by splitting the business into two separate units, and making EV sales direct-to-consumer, not through the dealerships.

It's all about money for the manufacturers, about cutting out the dealerships and tripling the money they make on each EV vehicle they produce, just like Tesla.

And what they'd really like to do, is kill dealerships entirely and make all vehicle sales directly. Which is why production scarcity is continuing....they're trying to kill the dealerships.

Here's one way the dealers are killing ICE products. My local dealer has a GT 500 with MSRP of $102K but markups and such has the final price of $154,00 not including local taxes, license, reg & fees. Or how about a Mach 1 with MSRP of $59K yet the final price is listed at $81,620! Frankly, I don't know how they get away with it but I'm pretty sure they don't get that kind of markup with EVs... or not.

 

[Garfy]

I like Ferraris (or at least the idea of them), but I'm never, ever going to buy one. I think I get what you are saying. EVs suck right now, but you like the idea of an EV and you think maybe someday they will be good and cheap and charging will be easy and the other problems with the grid etc. will be overcome. And then when that lovely day comes, you will buy an EV.

Until then you don't want to drive a small, fuel efficient sensible car. You prefer a car with a big engine like the Mustang. That part still seems odd to me, but whatever. I totally understand liking Mustangs, because I do.

Times certainly changes things. Back in the day (70's) when I had a base Mach 1 with a 302-2V, it was considered a "small" engine. Yet today's 6th gen Mustang GT (which is a mere .1L or 5 CID larger) is considered "big". I suppose a CR-V which used to be a "compact SUV" and still in that category generally is pretty big in that it's about the size of an old Explorer which was NOT a compact SUV but a mid-size. Notice how each year vehicle models keep getting larger while engines keep getting smaller albeit with turbos or twin-turbos.

 

[Garfy]

Hello; I live in eastern TN and have met some refugees from California myself.

What I was focused on was that so many were leaving CA, not where they were going though the states I mentioned probably have greater populations of former Californians then TN, though my son is there now and he's NOT from CA.

 

[Garfy]

Hello; the best answer may be to have an ICE somewhere to travel in.

Over the road trucking will be a challenge as EV. Some sort of balance between the weight of the batteries needed and payload will have to be done. Likely dropping the payload a lot.

Maybe over the road truckers will be like the pony express of days of old. Every 80 miles or so they switch out an EV tractor ???

Perhaps, but that would mean commercial company owned trucks meaning the independent truckers are out of luck unless they're willing to leave their rigs at the charging station while continuing on with another rig that's not theirs. Of course, I always wondered about an EV passenger aircraft. How's that going to work? I just can't imagine one that can carry 200 passengers and cargo and able to fly 2500 miles across the Pacific from CA to HI.

 

[IPOGT]

It certainly is a "different" kind of maintenance. Anyone who's looked into them seriously knows that it's not like a slot car that merely has a motor and drive system. EVs have cooling systems that need to be maintained. Yes, coolant, like antifreeze/coolant, radiator, water pumps, hoses, etc. which are required for the motors as well as the inverter control unit which emits a lot of heat when in a high load condition. Take the floor off the "frunk" in the Ford Mach-e and you reveal the cooling systems and other components underneath. It would be great if EVs merely had a battery and motor drive system with nothing else to maintain, but unfortunately they don't.

A rolling iPhone with a drivetrain and seats.

 

[Bikeman315]

As many have said in the past "alternative fuels" does not mean only electric.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a41053118/2023-bmw-ix5-hydrogen-fuel-cells-toyota/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=090222&utm_campaign=nl28932263&utm_term=AAA -- High Minus Dormant and 90 Day Non Openers

And this. Only 30% by 2030 so everyone can calm down now.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a41057882/california-2035-zero-emissions-mandate-just-keeping-up-with-the-industry/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=090222&utm_campaign=nl28932263&utm_term=AAA -- High Minus Dormant and 90 Day Non Openers

This article has some really interesting stuff in it.

"There was no certainty that the internal combustion engine was going to win. There were steam cars and steam buses and so on, and there were electric cars. In 1900, only 20 percent of the 5,000 cars in the US were powered by petrol. The rest were electric or steam-powered.

One of the things about steam cars is that they’re incredibly quick. One in Florida hit 127.7 miles an hour, which was unthinkable at the time. No petrol car came close to it. People were at home with steam because they were used to trains".

https://www.vox.com/recode/23333356...self-driving-cars-internal-combustion-driving

 

[sk47]

Perhaps, but that would mean commercial company owned trucks meaning the independent truckers are out of luck unless they're willing to leave their rigs at the charging station while continuing on with another rig that's not theirs. Of course, I always wondered about an EV passenger aircraft. How's that going to work? I just can't imagine one that can carry 200 passengers and cargo and able to fly 2500 miles across the Pacific from CA to HI.

Hello; I guess you caught the irony of my post. Of course, a pony express sort of big truck setup is not at all realistic. Probably near to impossible if for no other reason the capital investments needed for such a thing. That is before the limits of physics are looked at.
I probably should not have mentioned the idea else some "true believer" includes the idea in among the other unrealistic dreams.

An EV airplane has been made. Barely held one person. I think it may have flown across the English channel. Maybe 20 miles. Has another done any better???

 

[Hack]

Times certainly changes things. Back in the day (70's) when I had a base Mach 1 with a 302-2V, it was considered a "small" engine. Yet today's 6th gen Mustang GT (which is a mere .1L or 5 CID larger) is considered "big". I suppose a CR-V which used to be a "compact SUV" and still in that category generally is pretty big in that it's about the size of an old Explorer which was NOT a compact SUV but a mid-size. Notice how each year vehicle models keep getting larger while engines keep getting smaller albeit with turbos or twin-turbos.

Yes, I debated that very thing before typing what I did. I feel like the 5.0 is a small displacement, but I realize that in the context of modern engines with pickups being equipped with engines that are less than 3 liters now - suddenly 5.0 is "big".

 

[K4fxd]

There was no certainty that the internal combustion engine was going to win. There were steam cars and steam buses and so on, and there were electric cars. In 1900, only 20 percent of the 5,000 cars in the US were powered by petrol. The rest were electric or steam-powered.

This was hashed out over 100 years ago. Gas ICE won. It still is the best.

 

[geep81]

The Fukushima power plant was over 20 years old. Like most things, when it gets that old, it needs maintenance on a grand scale. No different than a vehicle that's 20 years old with over 250,000 miles on it; you WILL need to repair/replace a bunch of stuff to get it back into like new performance. Heck, even our Navy's nuclear fleet rarely goes beyond 20 years of age as costs increase significantly to refurbish/restore them. But, to say that nuclear is bad because it is prone to "accidents" after 20 years isn't fair. As I understand it, the U.S. hasn't built a new nuclear plant in over 2 decades so they're due for replacement.

Look at this misinformation, acting like that power plant failed for some reason other than a giant tidal wave hitting it. You’re either misinformed or intentionally trying to misinform.

You sound like a shill for big oil posting this here.

 

[geep81]

Yeah, solar works great when it's overcast or raining...

I am gonna blow your mind here.

Did you know when it’s overcast or raining the suns energy is still coming thru the clouds?

it’s how you can still SEE with your eye balls.

 

[K4fxd]

Did you know when it’s overcast or raining the suns energy is still coming thru the clouds?

But it is reduced by 50% or more

 

[K4fxd]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-cool-energy-company-locks-081351847.html

Wait till they add a bunch of EV's

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