Turbocharged or Supercharged?

[Grimace427]

Yes, but they quickly called Shelby in because it was a dog

It was faster than the Camaro and Challenger from '64-66. Oh wait.

Tell the K-Code owners their car is a dog.

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[Sterling Archer]

My vote is to put both a supercharger in series with 2 turbos in parallel. Pushing 50 psi of boost on the 1 L fiesta.

3 SECOND QUARTER MILE HERE I COME!!!!!

 

[SVTDSM]

Don't get me wrong, I love superchargers but if properly sized, turbochargers win in every category. Low end torque, high rpm power, fuel efficiency, and a cooler air charge(more power/less boost=potential for longer engine life).

I personally love the sound of supercharger whine, but not as much as the crisp sound of turbo spool coupled with a nice loud salute between shifts! I also disagree with the idea that turbochargers ruin the V8 rumble. Yes, a turbo can act as a muffler and quiet the exhaust slightly but the V8 rumble will still be there.

 

[scottpe]

Don't get me wrong, I love superchargers but if properly sized, turbochargers win in every category. Low end torque, high rpm power, fuel efficiency, and a cooler air charge(more power/less boost=potential for longer engine life).

Well stated.

Given that they are going to have fewer cubic inches with which to generate (presumably) more HP than the S197 GT500, the output efficiency of using a turbo setup makes a lot of sense.

Plus it simply makes sense from a marketing standpoint as well, considering their Ecoboost thrust throughout the rest of their model lineup.

And as far as the whole exhaust sound issue, I think Ford has shown that they are very serious about the exhaust note of the Mustang. I'm pretty confident that they will make it sound good no matter what type of power adder is being used.

 

[w3rkn]

Sorry but we are talking about the top version of the stang.
No one how likes the pony and the muscle car era want to have a 4.0L engine!
An American icon should have the DNA from its birth.

The new top version of the mustang will chase the dodge hellcat's and the camaro z28 and not a Bavarian
downsizing car or an new swabian with a 4.0 engine.

??

The new "top-end mustang" is not an over weight drag car, with 800hp bro. Nor does Ford have to chase that market, BECAUSE and 3,700 blown mustang will waste the Hellcat.

Nobody cares about drag Racing either.. the GT350 is about track performance. Which coincidentally the HellCat has none.

Secondly, SVT will not only release the GT350, but the GT350s, & GT350r... but also a mach1 and a SuperSnake and probably a SV0..


Happy you want a drag car, but I was talking 3~5 years down the line and they stuff an exotic high-revving 4.0. Uno..? Lighter and more agile, etc..

People don't buy Ferraris to drag.. go buy a SuperSnake at $70k if you feel intimidated by a yell at, or Z28.. Lol.

 

[SVTDSM]

I think what you meant was YOU don't care about drag racing. You do realize that Mustang owners that drag race their cars out number Mustang owners that track their cars by a very large margin, right? I bet that still pretty much holds true even with the new IRS.

 

[Grimace427]

I think what you meant was YOU don't care about drag racing. You do realize that Mustang owners that drag race their cars out number Mustang owners that track their cars by a very large margin, right? I bet that still pretty much holds true even with the new IRS.

People drag race for fun because it's relatively cheap and easy to start. I'd bet the number of competitive road racers is very close to competitive drag racers.

 

[SVTDSM]

I'd bet the number of competitive road racers is very close to competitive drag racers.

Agreed if we're talking all cars. If we're talking just Mustangs, there are nowhere near as many mustangs that will actually see track duty as there are Mustangs that will see a day at the drag strip.

I love all forms of racing but to say nobody cares about drag racing on a Mustang forum is a day I never thought I would see.:shrug:

 

[GMAN6]

People drag race for fun because it's relatively cheap and easy to start. I'd bet the number of competitive road racers is very close to competitive drag racers.

Maybe it depends on the area, but not around here, I don't know anyone who road races but I know a lot of people who go to the drag strip occasionally.

Also, in the stores around here they sell 5.0 magazine and MM&FF which are geared primarily toward drag racing. We don't have any Mustang road racing magazines which tells me that there must not be a huge interest around here.

 

[w3rkn]

I think what you meant was YOU don't care about drag racing. You do realize that Mustang owners that drag race their cars out number Mustang owners that track their cars by a very large margin, right? I bet that still pretty much holds true even with the new IRS.

Nope, nobody I know drag races a stock mustang... Nooo body..!

Secondly, the advent of a modern suspension will really make the Mustang more competent and road going.

That^.. is what all the excitement is about, not whether u can hill-jack a Stang to be nearly street legal and jam a 1/4 in 9s... Bcuz every previous mustang that's been true. So why do you need a new mustang to do old work..? Illogical.

Ford isn't making a Mustang to compete with the Hellcat, bcz the hellcat can't compete..!

 

[SVTDSM]

Oh... I didn't realize nobody that you know drag races stock Mustangs. I guess that solves it then... Nobody cares about drag racing.

And I agree, Ford isn't making the Mustang to compete with the Hellcat. Dodge made the Hellcat in response to the GT500. Are you saying Ford isn't going to replace the 662 HP gt500?

 

[1320']

??

The new "top-end mustang" is not an over weight drag car, with 800hp bro. Nor does Ford have to chase that market, BECAUSE and 3,700 blown mustang will waste the Hellcat.

Nobody cares about drag Racing either.. the GT350 is about track performance. Which coincidentally the HellCat has none.

Secondly, SVT will not only release the GT350, but the GT350s, & GT350r... but also a mach1 and a SuperSnake and probably a SV0..


Happy you want a drag car, but I was talking 3~5 years down the line and they stuff an exotic high-revving 4.0. Uno..? Lighter and more agile, etc..

People don't buy Ferraris to drag.. go buy a SuperSnake at $70k if you feel intimidated by a yell at, or Z28.. Lol.

You do not speak for me, because I love the S550 and drag racing. Ford also seems to care about drag racing too..last I checked the CobraJet wasn't a SCCA car.

You're full of it dude. You speak about rumors as if they're set in stone. The SuperSnake is a Shelby American package, not Ford and we haven't even seen the first of the S550 SVT models..

 

[91z28350]

Sorry, his response is not worth refuting, but it was obnoxious and self righteous enough that I am game.

I also have a degree (in Network Administration) and 1000 HP (on pump gas no less!!!) GT500 and I am interested in both a drag strip terror GT500 (one is good, two is better), and/or a possible road racing vehicle (ran the Nordschleife once, it was hella cool).

Oh and btw, last NHRA Fall Nationals I went to (last September) Ford and the Mustang were WELL represented, both on the track and in the manufacturers midway.

Scuse me, I need to get me sum squirl (sic) and poss'm to pair with my 'shine.

 

[BOSS 1601]

Talk about cars please or else I'll bang out my Sally Struthers degree in gun smithing and my minor in telephone repair.

 

[w3rkn]

Oh... I didn't realize nobody that you know drag races stock Mustangs. I guess that solves it then... Nobody cares about drag racing.

And I agree, Ford isn't making the Mustang to compete with the Hellcat. Dodge made the Hellcat in response to the GT500. Are you saying Ford isn't going to replace the 662 HP gt500?

The point was... someone was blurting out about a Mustang only needing 5.0, or bigger.. and must have "moAr howzp0wAr".. to be anything, and or compete... Which totally discredits the real zeal behind this new mustang, it's finesse and new agility.

Of course you can drag it... nothing's really changed in that department & lateral accel, on the street or track, is largely determined on how big your shoes are. Not, necessarily how much horsepower you have. Draconian and given.

Secondly, the new GT500 doesn't need more horsepower, if the new chassis allows it to put down what it already has, better..! If it sits lower, is wider, has a lower center of gravity, has more balance & then a more responsive engine..? or a 9-spd transmission might make all the difference, right?

That is called refinement^.



Lastly, when DFI comes, you gain a lot of efficiency and you will see Ford hitting their CAFE in the next decade with quick revving, normally aspirated, but downsized V8's for the GT. While the GT350 engine being NA, the GT500 will probably remain F.I.

But nothing wrong with a 3.7 TT v6 spitting out 490ft-lbs of asphalt.. and still weighing less than a SC 5.0 and have better balance than a GT500..
GT270 being a 2.7 v6 EB and lightweight, with CF shaft, etc.. able to pounce w/400ft-lbs @ 3,500lbs.

I don't see horsepower be the answer for everything & if 0.18s matters, just invest in some dry ice. (it works on bruised egos too..!)

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