Tuned EB vs Scat Pack Challenger

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While it can be fun in small doses, it can get out of hand pretty easily. I know in the 2018 thread Twin Turbo posted from Jarstang


It is against the forum rules. And it wouldn't surprise me if all of it gets policed a bit more heavily especially with the V6 going away.

Agreed. :cheers:

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[mikeD4V]

While it can be fun in small doses, it can get out of hand pretty easily. I know in the 2018 thread Twin Turbo posted from Jarstang

It is against the forum rules. And it wouldn't surprise me if all of it gets policed a bit more heavily especially with the V6 going away.

No one is bashing the EB. What the other members are trying to do is inform you that simply because someone else put certain parts on their car and ran a time or dyno'd a number does not mean that it is gospel and your car with those parts will be equal. There are many more factors involved. Using the times/numbers as a benchmark is fine but don't say your car produces the same results if you don't have personal data to substantiate the claim.

Hero runs on youtube are often the exception and not the rule. That is not putting you or your car down, it's just reality. Think about the ratio of slow runs to hero runs posted on youtube. The failures and shitty runs are lower in number by a considerable margin and are often posted by someone other than the owner of the vehicle; like the guy in the other lane who ran faster. The source material is therefore suspect so you need to provide the data you personally acquired to convince others of your argument. If you don't have the data, then you can't defend your claim.

Just because I'm the same height/weight as someone showcasing their talent in the NFL combine does not make me capable of running, jumping, and bench pressing the same numbers. Not even if I put on under armour clothes and new nike cleats. One similar metric does not mean all of the metrics are equal.

When you respond by entrenching yourself in a false narrative then deflect from the original subject by saying others are bashing the EB it becomes difficult to exchange information properly and everyone gets frustrated. Then the hyenas come in and troll.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

No one is bashing the EB. What the other members are trying to do is inform you that simply because someone else put certain parts on their car and ran a time or dyno'd a number does not mean that it is gospel and your car with those parts will be equal. There are many more factors involved. Using the times/numbers as a benchmark is fine but don't say your car produces the same results if you don't have personal data to substantiate the claim.

Hero runs on youtube are often the exception and not the rule. That is not putting you or your car down, it's just reality. Think about the ratio of slow runs to hero runs posted on youtube. The failures and shitty runs are lower in number by a considerable margin and are often posted by someone other than the owner of the vehicle; like the guy in the other lane who ran faster. The source material is therefore suspect so you need to provide the data you personally acquired to convince others of your argument. If you don't have the data, then you can't defend your claim.

Just because I'm the same height/weight as someone showcasing their talent in the NFL combine does not make me capable of running, jumping, and bench pressing the same numbers. Not even if I put on under armour clothes and new nike cleats. One similar metric does not mean all of the metrics are equal.

When you respond by entrenching yourself in a false narrative then deflect from the original subject by saying others are bashing the EB it becomes difficult to exchange information properly and everyone gets frustrated. Then the hyenas come in and troll.

Well said. And that's exactly the point I was trying to make. Did you notice not a single EB responder had every run their car to find out what they could make it do? Instead of admitting that. They go with the I have nothing to prove line. And they'll go to the mat saying Adams shop car is in the 11s! I know better than any of these guys what a 4 banger turbo car can do. Because I actually drag raced one. My SRT-4 had a personal best of [email protected]. The guys at the top of the fast lists are there for 2 reasons. Reason number one. They spent more money than you. (There is no Ford racing tune only cars sniffing the top of that list) The second reason they are on top of the list. They are good drivers! Nobody is bagging on the EBs. The 4 banger fast list speaks for itself. But a lot of you guys need to get real. Your not hanging out with your clueless buddies. Some of the people in this section live at the track and have been racing longer than you've been alive.!

 

[Doctor Fishtail]

To this day I still can't believe that Ford made a 4 cylinder car. They are for gas milage that is it. They are problematic with boost. :headbonk:

 

[Spykexx]

Well said. And that's exactly the point I was trying to make. Did you notice not a single EB responder had every run their car to find out what they could make it do? Instead of admitting that. They go with the I have nothing to prove line. And they'll go to the mat saying Adams shop car is in the 11s! I know better than any of these guys what a 4 banger turbo car can do. Because I actually drag raced one. My SRT-4 had a personal best of [email protected]. The guys at the top of the fast lists are there for 2 reasons. Reason number one. They spent more money than you. (There is no Ford racing tune only cars sniffing the top of that list) The second reason they are on top of the list. They are good drivers! Nobody is bagging on the EBs. The 4 banger fast list speaks for itself. But a lot of you guys need to get real. Your not hanging out with your clueless buddies. Some of the people in this section live at the track and have been racing longer than you've been alive.!

And honestly some of us, well atleast me probably never will. Although I've contemplated hitting up Cordova. It's only 20 miles away. But dragging just doesn't interest me. The platforms greater ability to take turns is what drew me to it. I'd rather track it anyday. I totally understand your average driver won't make those times. Unless their car is making under those times and that's all they could straggle to make. The way some guys go around it though is as if the ecoboost has no chance in hell ever breaking the tuned time marker when (while it's not the norm) it is happening. As I've said before most of us know what our ebs are capable of or what we are going to be at power wise when done. And we don't deny we won't be killing SP or GTs. But it DOES happen (with the right goals and money).

 

[Spykexx]

To this day I still can't believe that Ford made a 4 cylinder car. They are for gas milage that is it. They are problematic with boost. :headbonk:

This is going to be the norm coming soon. With regulations that keep being pushed it's just how it'll be. The s650 will debut a hybrid mustang.

 

[slag1911]

To this day I still can't believe that Ford made a 4 cylinder car. They are for gas milage that is it. They are problematic with boost. :headbonk:

Yep. The 2.3 4 cyl. engine configuration has been around since the pinto... then they carried it over to the mustang II. They keep this configuration around to help boost the average EPA rating across the fleet. It is not a performance offering, its a economy offering, and has been since the pinto debuted.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

And honestly some of us, well atleast me probably never will. Although I've contemplated hitting up Cordova. It's only 20 miles away. But dragging just doesn't interest me. The platforms greater ability to take turns is what drew me to it. I'd rather track it anyday. I totally understand your average driver won't make those times. Unless their car is making under those times and that's all they could straggle to make. The way some guys go around it though is as if the ecoboost has no chance in hell ever breaking the tuned time marker when (while it's not the norm) it is happening. As I've said before most of us know what our ebs are capable of or what we are going to be at power wise when done. And we don't deny we won't be killing SP or GTs. But it DOES happen (with the right goals and money).

And that's fine also. Drag racing isn't for everyone. But you guys need to trust me. When it comes to drag racing. I know more that most on this forum. I bracket race a 95 GT. That we are hoping will go 8s after we get the tuning issues worked out with the new motor and carb. I'll out run any Camaro or Scat Pack owner at Atco in my 15GT today! As far as 4 bangers go. I loved the little SRT-4 I used to own. It was probably the most fun of all the cars. But I know all of my cars limitations. The OPs first post sounded cocky. And he got called on it. It's that simple. If I said I could run with the street outlaw guys in my 95. I'd get crucified by real racers that know what they are talking about! All though I think I could take farm truck!

 

[Stormtrooper5.0]

Racism will be dead long before mustang owners get along with each other.

 

[Faceme]

have had plenty of time to do other things . Joined mustang6g two days ago ... lol. Peace

 

[lizardrko]

To this day I still can't believe that Ford made a 4 cylinder car. They are for gas milage that is it. They are problematic with boost. :headbonk:

U do know that ford made the mustang svo I believe in the 80s that was a turbo 4 cyl. At the time, it was faster than the v8. They are more than for gas mileage. Sure it doesnt have that v8 rumble or the speed, but they can still beat a lot of cars on the street.

 

[lizardrko]

And that's fine also. Drag racing isn't for everyone. But you guys need to trust me. When it comes to drag racing. I know more that most on this forum. I bracket race a 95 GT. That we are hoping will go 8s after we get the tuning issues worked out with the new motor and carb. I'll out run any Camaro or Scat Pack owner at Atco in my 15GT today! As far as 4 bangers go. I loved the little SRT-4 I used to own. It was probably the most fun of all the cars. But I know all of my cars limitations. The OPs first post sounded cocky. And he got called on it. It's that simple. If I said I could run with the street outlaw guys in my 95. I'd get crucified by real racers that know what they are talking about! All though I think I could take farm truck!

My first post only sounded cocky to you. I was in no way attacking the GT. Perhaps I should have alluded to the possibility that the GT I test drove had 87 octane in it. I did later on in the replies but maybe it was missed. That could have led to the slowness I experienced. I was just trying to compare the power curve of a tuned ecoboost to a scat pack. And as far as drag racing, my buddy built a bug that was just a 4cyl turbo, but was pushing into the 7s in the quarter mile. It was a fully built motor, but still very impressive. Won best in show at bug-o-rama. Most size motors have potential, its just how you use them.

 

[slag1911]

They are more than for gas mileage. Sure it doesnt have that v8 rumble or the speed, but they can still beat a lot of cars on the street.

in "part throttle" contests...

 

[bluebeastsrt]

My first post only sounded cocky to you. I was in no way attacking the GT. Perhaps I should have alluded to the possibility that the GT I test drove had 87 octane in it. I did later on in the replies but maybe it was missed. That could have led to the slowness I experienced. I was just trying to compare the power curve of a tuned ecoboost to a scat pack. And as far as drag racing, my buddy built a bug that was just a 4cyl turbo, but was pushing into the 7s in the quarter mile. It was a fully built motor, but still very impressive. Won best in show at bug-o-rama. Most size motors have potential, its just how you use them.

Im done kid. You got your answer. Your tuned EB doesn't compare to a Scat Pack anywhere in the power curve.

 

[Hack]

My first post only sounded cocky to you. I was in no way attacking the GT. Perhaps I should have alluded to the possibility that the GT I test drove had 87 octane in it.

87 vs. 91 or 93 won't matter on the GT. No matter what fuel you put in it the GT will be significantly faster than an EB. I'm not knocking the EB, but it's slower than the GT.

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