Timing marks not lining up - OPG install

[VAGunny]

Installing OPGs and TG before I put the Whipple on and trying to get the timing marks lined up with the dark chain link. Spun the motor about 50 times and cannot get both the timing marks to line up! Google searched the crap out of this but can't find much...has anyone had this problem before? Any suggestions?

Don't really want to just mark the timing with white out because I'm replacing the TG...so th new TG won't have the mark to line up with!

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[esacteksab]

Driver's side or passenger side?

From 5 o'clock, did you go one full rotation back to 5 o'clock, then to 12 o'clock? Or did you go from 5 o'clock to 12 o'clock? This step is missed quite a bit.

 

[Crackerjack17]

You know you remove the passenger side first, then rotate crank to 5 o'clock and then remove drivers side, right? And then there is a procedure for putting them back on. Do you have the service manual?

 

[pro 5.0]

When I did mine I lined up the passenger side to the dark links then I index marked the cams on both sides then removed the chain on the passenger side. I then marked the drivers side chain where it was without rotating the crank and removed that chain as well, there is no need to rotate the motor. If you use this method it will greatly simplify things and eliminate the confusion about going 1 full turn back to 5 o clock then back to 12 o clock. This mistake has been made buy a few people. I also did the OPG, CG and ATI balancer at the same time I was doing the install on the Whipple, car fired up on the first hit of the button did the crank re learn and absolutely no codes or MIL runs perfect.

 

[pro 5.0]

Installing OPGs and TG before I put the Whipple on and trying to get the timing marks lined up with the dark chain link. Spun the motor about 50 times and cannot get both the timing marks to line up! Google searched the crap out of this but can't find much...has anyone had this problem before? Any suggestions?

Don't really want to just mark the timing with white out because I'm replacing the TG...so th new TG won't have the mark to line up with!

The factory timing gear has a index mark on it as does the billet gear, so even though you made your own mark if you use the same index mark as your point of reference the chain position on the new billet sprocket will be identical.

 

[db252]

Installing OPGs and TG before I put the Whipple on and trying to get the timing marks lined up with the dark chain link. Spun the motor about 50 times and cannot get both the timing marks to line up! Google searched the crap out of this but can't find much...has anyone had this problem before? Any suggestions?

Don't really want to just mark the timing with white out because I'm replacing the TG...so th new TG won't have the mark to line up with!

If you are talking about when removing the chains, the dark links will never match to the timing marks on the cam gear and crank gear. When removing the chains, you start with the passenger side first. The key way on the crank needs to be at 12 o'clock and the timing mark on the cam phaser needs to be at around 11 o'clock. If the timing mark on the cam phaser is not at 11 oclock, rotate one more time. Then move the key way to 5 o'clock and remove the drivers side chain and that timing mark will be near the 4 o'clock on the cam phaser. The ONLY time the dark links line up on both marks is when putting the chains back on to let you know that they are back in place correctly. Once you put the chains on both sides and rotate the motor a few times, you'll notice the dark links and marks will never line up again. Follow the ford service manual.

 

[pro 5.0]

If you are talking about when removing the chains, the dark links will never match to the timing marks on the cam gear and crank gear. When removing the chains, you start with the passenger side first. The key way on the crank needs to be at 12 o'clock and the timing mark on the cam phaser needs to be at around 11 o'clock. If the timing mark on the cam phaser is not at 11 oclock, rotate one more time. Then move the key way to 5 o'clock and remove the drivers side chain and that timing mark will be near the 4 o'clock on the cam phaser. The ONLY time the dark links line up on both marks is when putting the chains back on to let you know that they are back in place correctly. Once you put the chains on both sides and rotate the motor a few times, you'll notice the dark links and marks will never line up again. Follow the ford service manual.

That is incorrect before removal of the passenger side chain if you rotate the motor the dark links will most definitely line up on the passenger side at some point, both on the cams and crank gear. If they don't line up your motor is out of time, the drivers side dark links will not line up at this point until you rotate the keyway to the 5 o clock position.

 

[Tommy V]

Are u talking about timing makes,or the colered links on the chains?

 

[pro 5.0]

Are u talking about timing makes,or the colered links on the chains?

I assume you meant marks, there are 2 dark colored links on each chain all they represent is the point the chain has equal links on both sides IE the middle of the chain. When the colored links both top and bottom line up with the mark on the camshaft and crankshaft you are on the money, now make note that this will only happen on the passenger side. At this point the keyway on the crank will be in the 12 o clock position in order for the drivers side links to line up you must turn the crank clockwise until the keyway is in the 5 o clock position then those links will line up to the marks on the drivers side camshaft and crankshaft.

 

[FIVE_LITER]

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53162

Download the timing procedure

 

[dsp4848]

Installing OPGs and TG before I put the Whipple on and trying to get the timing marks lined up with the dark chain link. Spun the motor about 50 times and cannot get both the timing marks to line up! Google searched the crap out of this but can't find much...has anyone had this problem before? Any suggestions?

Don't really want to just mark the timing with white out because I'm replacing the TG...so th new TG won't have the mark to line up with!

After the timing has been done correctly and you spin the motor, the dark links of the chain will not line up with the "L" and "R" marks of the cam sprocket. Just make sure you follow the Ford service manual word for word and you will be good to go. PM me if you need the timing section of the service manual.

 

[pro 5.0]

After the timing has been done correctly and you spin the motor, the dark links of the chain will not line up with the "L" and "R" marks of the cam sprocket. Just make sure you follow the Ford service manual word for word and you will be good to go. PM me if you need the timing section of the service manual.

It may seem that way BUT if you rotate the motor enough times the marks WILL line back up on the passenger side and then if you continue to rotate the crank keyway from the 12 o clock position to the 5 o clock positon the marks WILL line up on the drivers side. I don't know why you guys are saying the marks don't line up again that's physically impossible you just have to rotate the crank like 60 or 70 times to see it happen. OP I'm sure your head is spinning by now just follow the PDF instructions and you will be fine good luck.

 

[Tommy V]

I assume you meant marks, there are 2 dark colored links on each chain all they represent is the point the chain has equal linksoink se on both sides IE the middle of the chain. When the colored links both top and bottom line up with the mark on the camshaft and crankshaft you are on the money, nowty he make note that this will only happen on the passenger side. At this point the keyway on the crank will be in the 12 o clock position in order for the drivers side links to line up you must turn the crank clockwise until the keyway is in the 5 o clock position then those links will line up to the marks on the drivers side camshaft and crankshaft.

Yes you are correct,my point is that the colored links dont always line up,have done a couple already.Rockstang when we did his did not line up even close.I think they were put on incorrect from the factory.If thats the case u still continue on,just as u stated,most important part is to make sure the cams dont move with chains off.Once u read the steps its pretty easy to do.I think a couple other members commented on links being in the improper location.

 

[db252]

It has no bearing where the dark links are when taking the chains off as long as each side is taken off in the correct timing sequence (position of key way on crank and timing mark on cam phaser per ford service manual). When putting the chains back on, the dark links can be put in position with the crank gear mark and cam phaser mark to let you know that everything is lined up correctly. The service manual doesn't even specify black chain link location during disassembly......only when installing.

 

[pro 5.0]

Yes you are correct,my point is that the colored links dont always line up,have done a couple already.Rockstang when we did his did not line up even close.I think they were put on incorrect from the factory.If thats the case u still continue on,just as u stated,most important part is to make sure the cams dont move with chains off.Once u read the steps its pretty easy to do.I think a couple other members commented on links being in the improper location.

The dark links are just like an idiot light if the crank and cams are in the correct orientation you can put the chains on any link you want. The dark links are there to help you make sure the cam and crank are in the correct position. When I took mine apart I rotated the motor until the passenger side dark link lined up on both the crank and cam before removal. It is highly possible that at the factory they don not line up the links as they probably have some sort of fixture to hold the crank and cams in place when putting the chains on. If your motor was assembled in this fashion from the factory that is the only way your links wouldn't line up, but since these are mass produced engines I find it hard to believe that mine line up before removal and others didn't.

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