the new screens

[inspecto]

Not only the stang but all cars with screens, what do think these will be like in 10yrs??
Has anyone got a price to replace? The electronics in them will turn into a nightmare.
What do you all think?

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[Cobra Jet]

You have a mobile device right? Or a PC/laptop? Or maybe a tablet?

Here’s what’s going to happen:
The Manufacturer will send out a bulletin stating they will no longer support XYZ Software Version XXXXX or Hardware Version XXXXX.

So you as the owner will now have to figure out:
- Will you spend the $$$ to just buy a new vehicle that would most likely be at least 5x more than your original…
- Will you just deal with not being able to update OR get any support for ABCD module in the vehicle that is now no longer supported.

Basically…. You’re F’d and the Manufacturer laughs.

It’s pretty much what happens with your mobile device… Updates stop working which could be security level updates, or could cause functional/operational impacts. Then Apps will stop working because they are no longer being supported on the old Software OR Hardware…. You’re F’d and now need to spend more $$$ just to be “current”.

That’s what will happen.

 

[RiotfunK]

I like that you can’t use your phone when driving. But here’s 2/3/4 iPads with touch screens strapped into the dash. Also it’s easy to find something on your phone. In a car you have to go through tons of convoluted options to get to one damn thing. Not to mention they’re getting rid of physical buttons. No F’ing thank you. Buttons are easy, they just work.
I looked at the s650. But like most newer cars the stupid center screen takes up some of my field of vision. I don’t need to see all that junk when I’m driving.
I know what’s playing on the radio, I know what gear I’m in, and I know what settings my car is set to. It’s made people way worse drivers with all this tech constantly asking to be fondled while you have warnings and dummy lights for everything.
The cost to replace one of the screens out of warranty is thousands, plus a ton of labor. And some will take their designated APIM/TCU or whatever it runs on in the background. It happened to my Bronco and was a GD nightmare.
I mean hell, remember you could change a bulb in your headlight for 7$ bucks. Now it’s 700$+ plus for the whole unit.
Most cars with decent options that are from around 2013 and up aren’t even worth fixing once they hit higher miles because of all the computer stuff/screens/control modules and plastic bits that are fragile and fail. Costing more than the vehicles worth.
20 years ago you saw cars driving around that were 20/30/40 years old frequently driving around.
Now, I rarely see anything older than 20 years old on the road and if I do, it’s usually a classic car/truck.

 

[inspecto]

Come on guys it;s time to vent All I know is I will not have one. My 17 is paid off with no issues, no rattles or squeaks 33,000miles, burns no oil and has never let me down.

 

[_zOmbIE_]

I love how everyone gets fixated on the fact screens have a service life... go buy a heater control module for any 10-15 year old car, or a gauge cluster, or any other number of parts. Some aren't that hard to find, because they were common to more than one vehicle and some are unobtainium.

Also:

 

[CorvZ061]

Look at the cars from 10 years ago. Most of them are worthless now.

 

[ORRadtech]

On my '12 Edge the APIM died last year. It failed 500 miles from home. It dies have hard controls for the ac/heat so it was at least comfortable on the way home but no radio and no easy way to tell what the ac was set on. No one I could find repairs them. Fortunately it's still possible to find them. $500 for a preprogrammed APIM on an 11 y/o car that's pretty rudimentary compared to current cars.

The thing that almost worries me more are the computer modules in cars now. Most have around 30 of them with some cars having over 100. There are already issues where some modules are no longer being made as well as many others not being repairable.
The throw away society is in full force!

 

[Snakebyte]

Remember.....we who have premium dashes in the S550 have electronic screens as well. Maybe a bit different technology, but electronic nonetheless.

For the most part, automotive companies have performed due diligence in design and testing to achieve robust instrument panel designs. The first ones on the market in any model year are the ones that are guinea pigs.

I recall that from my 1986 T-bird had Ford's new digital speedo. I took the car back to the dealer no less than 6 times...I think it was 7, for an intermittent lockup and error message, accompanied by a 80db squeal each occurrence. Twice two different dealerships changed the speedo with a refreshed one, but neither dealership could resolve the issue. Surprisingly and thankfully I worked with a guy whose dad was an executive at Ford who investigated on my behalf. He responded that I needed a dash built after a certain date. (Interestingly, dealerships had no knowledge of it.) Anyway, my colleague's dad asked my mileage, and a few short days later, lo and behold I received a new speedometer in the mail, programmed to my car's VIN with the mileage displayed correctly.

Most people are not that fortunate. Hopefully new Mustang owners will not have to go through similar failing new electronic features and dealer incompetence...but it happens.

Here's an interesting perspective on how vehicle electronics fixes can be less painful. Caveat...some people abhor the ability of a service technician being able to remotely access your electronics.

As we know, Tesla is heavily entrenched in electronics. Did you ever notice that there are hundreds (maybe thousands) of Tesla haters in mainstream media? They are quick to jump on the negative Tesla bandwagon.​

To give some insight, my son has a Tesla. He's only had ONE physical recall in 4 years; one that he had to go to a service center to resolve. It was a mechanical fix, not an electronic one.​

Anyway here's a typical Tesla "recall" my son experiences. It was determined by the government (who seems to hate Tesla too) that a gauge needed larger graphics to improve readability. The "recall" was an abhorrent inconvenience to Tesla owners, putting the vehicle at risk, and out of service, so the media implied. The reality was that my son never perceived the gauge as having a problem at all. (Though Tesla haters did)​

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So what was the painful "recall" fix my son had to endure? He slept soundly one night while Tesla updated the dash with a modified gauge appearance.​

That of course is the our automotive future, whether I like it or not. I just hope my "recalls" are as painful as my son experiences, and not painful like my T-Bird electronic speedo experience.

 

[TrueBlue22]

Counterpoint: the center stack touch screen in my 2011 GT continues to work just fine after 14 years. Sync V1 also continues to be startlingly robust and compatible with modern smartphones.

Not many buyers went for the Technology Package back in 2010. Something like ~300 out of 5,203 2011 GT convertibles.

Having said that, my APIM will probably die the next time I drive it.

 

[CBETPTA]

Giving the manufacturer access to perform updates remotely is a slippery slope. They can also shut down your vehicle remotely for having non OEM service performed. Gotta pick your poison.

 

[GilmourD]

You have a mobile device right? Or a PC/laptop? Or maybe a tablet?

Here’s what’s going to happen:
The Manufacturer will send out a bulletin stating they will no longer support XYZ Software Version XXXXX or Hardware Version XXXXX.

So you as the owner will now have to figure out:
- Will you spend the $$$ to just buy a new vehicle that would most likely be at least 5x more than your original…
- Will you just deal with not being able to update OR get any support for ABCD module in the vehicle that is now no longer supported.

Basically…. You’re F’d and the Manufacturer laughs.

It’s pretty much what happens with your mobile device… Updates stop working which could be security level updates, or could cause functional/operational impacts. Then Apps will stop working because they are no longer being supported on the old Software OR Hardware…. You’re F’d and now need to spend more $$$ just to be “current”.

That’s what will happen.

That's why it's utterly insane that manufacturers, starting with GM apparently, are baking in their own systems instead of relying on Android Auto and CarPlay. They're making themselves more work, creating added expense on their part, and creating eventual e-waste. Google and Apple know that people are going to use their phones anyway if the car doesn't have a built-in system, but both have fairly mature car integrations already, so the work is done.

It makes ZERO sense... But then again, what does these days?

My day job is technology. I live, breath, drink, eat, and sleep this stuff. There's so much stuff right now that just seems to be buzzword driven (like AI, which I'm likening to an unparented infant being plugged straight into the Internet with no supervision) and luddite-led development (which GM executive that can't download an app on their iPhone without asking a kid for help decided to go ham on their own infotainment setup?).

 

[Snakebyte]

That's why it's utterly insane that manufacturers, starting with GM apparently, are baking in their own systems instead of relying on Android Auto and CarPlay. They're making themselves more work, creating added expense on their part, and creating eventual e-waste. Google and Apple know that people are going to use their phones anyway if the car doesn't have a built-in system, but both have fairly mature car integrations already, so the work is done.

It makes ZERO sense... But then again, what does these days?

My day job is technology. I live, breath, drink, eat, and sleep this stuff. There's so much stuff right now that just seems to be buzzword driven (like AI, which I'm likening to an unparented infant being plugged straight into the Internet with no supervision) and luddite-led development (which GM executive that can't download an app on their iPhone without asking a kid for help decided to go ham on their own infotainment setup?).

Remember that baking in one's own proprietary systems is about profit down the road. Requiring customers to have to go back to them. It makes zero sense to us, but $$$$ sense to manufacturers.

 

[MAGS1]

Remember that baking in one's own proprietary systems is about profit down the road. Requiring customers to have to go back to them. It makes zero sense to us, but $$$$ sense to manufacturers.

True, but proprietary systems also mean more expense to develop and maintain vs Android/Apple doing a majority (if not all) the work for you. Monthly subscription fees, which a lot of manufacturers are going to, probably generate enough revenue to get a profit but at some point people will get fee’d to death and move on to something else.

We had a lot of proprietary systems at my previous company and the amount of staff time it took to develop, update and troubleshoot/repair was pretty staggering. To the point that we started to get rid of them and go to 3rd party, canned systems. There are positives to a proprietary system for sure, but they can be expensive. And if the company says to cut costs, then you end up with crappy systems.

 

[ORRadtech]

That's why it's utterly insane that manufacturers, starting with GM apparently, are baking in their own systems instead of relying on Android Auto and CarPlay. They're making themselves more work, creating added expense on their part, and creating eventual e-waste. Google and Apple know that people are going to use their phones anyway if the car doesn't have a built-in system, but both have fairly mature car integrations already, so the work is done.

It makes ZERO sense... But then again, what does these days?

My day job is technology. I live, breath, drink, eat, and sleep this stuff. There's so much stuff right now that just seems to be buzzword driven (like AI, which I'm likening to an unparented infant being plugged straight into the Internet with no supervision) and luddite-led development (which GM executive that can't download an app on their iPhone without asking a kid for help decided to go ham on their own infotainment setup?).

I believe it's fully intentional. They want bespoke software to tie the consumer to them. They want to make it as hard as possible to have any work done outside of their dealer network. If nothing else works with their crap you have to rely on them, right.
They're trying to make it as hard as possible for the right to repair folks without actually making it impossible.

 

[shogun32]

You’re F’d and now need to spend more $$$ just to be “current”.

That’s what will happen.

yes, but you're MISSING the upside!!

You will no longer be able to 'own' your car. It will be a 3-7yr lease with no option for longer. That's assuming your social credit score is sufficient to be even allowed to have a personal transport vehicle. Don't you remember the glorious life that was the People's Republic under Stalin and the rest? You got to trudge in the frozen mud and wave as your betters sped past in their black gov't assigned cars to their Duchas after weeks of hard, hard work in the capital. 5 and 10 year plans don't just make themselves you know.

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