Texas Speed (TSP) Headers

[Terminator2]

That isnt true once a blower is introduced. The difference also starts to come out in an all out (cams, porting etc) NA build too. For example an rgr build from jpc.

Post up proof.

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[mustang_guy]

Post up proof.

Cant do your own research? :shrug:

 

[4V Mayhem]

That isnt true once a blower is introduced. The difference also starts to come out in an all out (cams, porting etc) NA build too. For example an rgr build from jpc.

That argument has been brought up many times in many different forums. And to date, there is no evidence (that I know of) that proves this to be true. What I have seen are that the budget headers on NA applications have consistently made identical hp to the more expensive brands when similar mods are introduced. But if you know anything about TSP, you'd know that they have never backed down to a dyno comparison of their headers vs any other brand including Kooks and ARH. They've even been willing to donate a set for the purposes of a dyno comparison. I have yet to see any other company make the same claim. Of course it didn't happen because no other brand would put up. But anyway, adding forced induction would not have any impact. Gains would be similar. Any small gain would have to be weighed against the cost. But you can believe what you want.

 

[16s550]

IMO fitment, sound, and quality are more than good enough for the money spent. Also for the record the o2s are routed up top of mid pipe for us e85 guys. ;) tsp ftw

 

[mustang_guy]

That argument has been brought up many times in many different forums. And to date, there is no evidence (that I know of) that proves this to be true. What I have seen are that the budget headers on NA applications have consistently made identical hp to the more expensive brands when similar mods are introduced. But if you know anything about TSP, you'd know that they have never backed down to a dyno comparison of their headers vs any other brand including Kooks and ARH. They've even been willing to donate a set for the purposes of a dyno comparison. I have yet to see any other company make the same claim. Of course it didn't happen because no other brand would put up. But anyway, adding forced induction would not have any impact. Gains would be similar. Any small gain would have to be weighed against the cost. But you can believe what you want.

You hang out on the wrong forums then. Fluid dynamics is a very real thing. Ill also repeat what i said before. Im not saying these headers are junk. Just correcting misinformation. Enough of that happens on forums.

 

[Brostang]

Seems like some people are upset about spending more money and not having a performance advantage. From how I see it, the main advantages of higher cost headers are USA fabrication and the warranty. Fluid dynamics are real, and from the pictures nothing indicates that TSP headers would flow less than brand X.

Anyways, do either of the buying options have "cats" with actual cores?

 

[mustang_guy]

Seems like some people are upset about spending more money and not having a performance advantage. From how I see it, the main advantages of higher cost headers are USA fabrication and the warranty. Fluid dynamics are real, and from the pictures nothing indicates that TSP headers would flow less than brand X.

Anyways, do either of the buying options have "cats" with actual cores?

Why would i be upset? I have zero invested interest in long tubes on these cars, ill be going turbo. Things can look like they flow well and not. You cant say with certainty. What i do know is there is a damn good reason why arh headers are typically used on purpose built drag racers. Arh sure as shit isnt a sponsor for Fords Cobra Jets. Those cars arent built with budget parameters in mind either so they most definitely didnt pick them because they get the best bulk prcing. lm someone that was in the nmra and nrha. There is good reasons why people buy arh and kooks. Im not just pulling stuff out my ass to be a brand snob here. Ill also state again there is nothing wrong with these. I think they look like a better option then sw SP branded chinese made. If i wanted a good quality budget header id definitely look at these. Im correcting the misinformation in the mindset that header design has no impact once enough cfm is moving. Which essentially whats being suggested here. Thats pure sophistry.

 

[Terminator2]

Cant do your own research? :shrug:

You keep saying ARH is better and makes more power than all. Post proof because I've not seen it.

 

[mustang_guy]

You keep saying ARH is better and makes more power than all. Post proof because I've not seen it.

I said once certain variables are met, remember that. Ive seen arh tested against a lot of things. Two can play that game (exactly what it is, a game). Post proof im incorrect that once a serious na build or blower is introduced that header design doesnt matter. Ill wait. A lot of people here would probably begrudgingly agree that im not known for posting incorrect info.


Lets see if anyone can guess why im not going to post proof for anyone. People can take this anyway they see fit.

A) that i have no proof that im just typing stuff to type stuff
B) that im a brand snob
C) im a crazy old drag racer thats delusional
Or
D) People do better when they find out the answers for themselves through trial and error like the rest of us that weren't spoon fed knowledge.

 

[jvandy50]

dear jesus...you guys have any more videos of these? or do we hafta find these on our own too:lol:

 

[Brostang]

Why would i be upset? I have zero invested interest in long tubes on these cars, ill be going turbo. Things can look like they flow well and not. You cant say with certainty. What i do know is there is a damn good reason why arh headers are typically used on purpose built drag racers. Arh sure as shit isnt a sponsor for Fords Cobra Jets. Those cars arent built with budget parameters in mind either so they most definitely didnt pick them because they get the best bulk prcing. lm someone that was in the nmra and nrha. There is good reasons why people buy arh and kooks. Im not just pulling stuff out my ass to be a brand snob here. Ill also state again there is nothing wrong with these. I think they look like a better option then sw SP branded chinese made. If i wanted a good quality budget header id definitely look at these. Im correcting the misinformation in the mindset that header design has no impact once enough cfm is moving. Which essentially whats being suggested here. Thats pure sophistry.

Of course design has an impact. You can't rely on cobra jet brand choices as justification for what part is best. If you want to prove one brand flows better at certain power levels, then cough up some coin for a COMSOL CFD analysis. Or you can run 10+ passes with ARH to establish a sufficient sample size and s.d., then switch and run TSP for 10+ passes. Compare for a p<0.05 to determine if results are statistically significant.

I don't remember seeing anyone say design doesn't matter. It's just that the cost:benefit of more expensive brands is not ideal for them. The appeal of headers is modest hp and sound. TSP does that and it sounds like they fit well, all for about half the cost. Mustangs are all about bang for buck. Going fast on the cheap (relatively).

 

[4V Mayhem]

Why would i be upset? I have zero invested interest in long tubes on these cars, ill be going turbo. Things can look like they flow well and not. You cant say with certainty. What i do know is there is a damn good reason why arh headers are typically used on purpose built drag racers. Arh sure as shit isnt a sponsor for Fords Cobra Jets. Those cars arent built with budget parameters in mind either so they most definitely didnt pick them because they get the best bulk prcing. lm someone that was in the nmra and nrha. There is good reasons why people buy arh and kooks. Im not just pulling stuff out my ass to be a brand snob here. Ill also state again there is nothing wrong with these. I think they look like a better option then sw SP branded chinese made. If i wanted a good quality budget header id definitely look at these. Im correcting the misinformation in the mindset that header design has no impact once enough cfm is moving. Which essentially whats being suggested here. Thats pure sophistry.

Well I would wager that 95% of us here aren't buying headers for purpose built drag cars. And more than likely, ARH supplies those racers and cars and are sponsored by them...you might notice the huge "ARH" sticker on those cars...that means they aren't paying for them, lol. And I'd also bet that they aren't getting them out of a box off the shelf. Most likely they are custom built. And even if they aren't getting sponsorships, those guys have enough money that they aren't gonna skimp on cheap headers. Plus cars on that level have very strict regulations they must adhere to. So it isn't a comparison at all looking at those cars to a DD vehicle. You will not see any significant gain in power or performance between a top brand header and a budget header on a street driven, DD, vehicle. I've been around enough that I've seen every argument and none have been substantiated. The only difference is that the top quality headers might last longer, the fitment is better, more attention is paid to detail in making them, and the finish is much better. That is it.

 

[Agent_S550]

To some degree, I think people are arguing in this thread just for the sake of arguing.

 

[Speedwagon]

To some degree, I think people are arguing in this thread just for the sake of arguing.

^+++1 .. Most of the time they like to be the superior one ... Haha :hail:

 

[1badrz28]

I have to laugh at the fluid dynamics comment, while true it does come into play with flow characteristics, I have built and seen built many sets of headers( for class record holders), and not one chassis house that I know of thinks about fluid dynamics. They build the header to fit the custom chassis. Now they will build them with some guidance, ie length, number of bends etc, but I have yet to see any of them farm it out to a fluid dynamics engineer. These companies piece together a header to fit in a certain space, no more. If they had to research the flow for each design, the cost of the header would be 4500-5000, not 700-1500.00. I bet each header makes power within 1% of each other, if it's the same size tubing and general design, which most of these headers follow anyways.

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