Texas Speed (TSP) Headers

[16s550]

Do you have them install yet?
I'm getting to anxious on purchasing some LTs

Yep I did and the sound bad ass and they appear to fit pretty good

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[Sheenapple]

Don't evac the ac system and don't remove the hose. Remove the battery box. Whatever the case swivel wrench bending over the front of your car is the solution.

When I installed headers on jackstands over the course of 4 days I never ran into the AC line issue, I hit it initially but a flex head wrench and 30 minutes solved that issue. Passenger side top header bolt is the only issue here. I have no idea what 1.5 hours of labor and refridgerent cost but god damn you talk about getting cheapy headers to save money then piss it away on useless labor.

If you're going to pro/con your build/effort at least do it right. The one pro here is your mechanic gets to now spend 10 minutes on a bolt instead of 30. The cons are your budget build now has unnecessary cost added, time added, and you buy into the idea that you have to remove the AC line to "make the install easier". This was a suggestion and I made the call that you did NOT need to remove this line, it would be a terrible Return On Investment. I made the right call for my situation. Obviously money doesn't matter here, but budget headers..?

As for the custom O2 extensions all I have to say is I hope they were free, because damn.

I went ARH catless and used the supplied 2 O2 extenders on the front sensors. They were beautiful quality and shielded. My jaw literally hit the floor when I saw the pics here.

I normally don't post like this but this is my opinion that needed to be expressed in this 16 page thread. This isn't directed at anyone but please put more thought into your decisions and other people's suggestions.

My all in for my build was 4 days (I took my time and also did tstat) $1378 for the headers and I had to replace a lower O2 sensor $60 because someone at the factory threaded it in over a weld booger. When we wrenched it off the threads were destroyed.

 

[16s550]

Don't evac the ac system and don't remove the hose. Remove the battery box. Whatever the case swivel wrench bending over the front of your car is the solution.

When I installed headers on jackstands over the course of 4 days I never ran into the AC line issue, I hit it initially but a flex head wrench and 30 minutes solved that issue. Passenger side top header bolt is the only issue here. I have no idea what 1.5 hours of labor and refridgerent cost but god damn you talk about getting cheapy headers to save money then piss it away on useless labor.

If you're going to pro/con your build/effort at least do it right. The one pro here is your mechanic gets to now spend 10 minutes on a bolt instead of 30. The cons are your budget build now has unnecessary cost added, time added, and you buy into the idea that you have to remove the AC line to "make the install easier". This was a suggestion and I made the call that you did NOT need to remove this line, it would be a terrible Return On Investment. I made the right call for my situation. Obviously money doesn't matter here, but budget headers..?

As for the custom O2 extensions all I have to say is I hope they were free, because damn.

I went ARH catless and used the supplied 2 O2 extenders on the front sensors. They were beautiful quality and shielded. My jaw literally hit the floor when I saw the pics here.

I normally don't post like this but this is my opinion that needed to be expressed in this 16 page thread. This isn't directed at anyone but please put more thought into your decisions and other people's suggestions.

My all in for my build was 4 days (I took my time and also did tstat) $1378 for the headers and I had to replace a lower O2 sensor $60 because someone at the factory threaded it in over a weld booger. When we wrenched it off the threads were destroyed.

I don't get where u are bashing these headers from they fit perfect didn't remove ac line and they sound great. Quality looks solid and Texas speed is a very reputable company. They make great quality parts. Best bang for the buck on these headers. They came with gutted cats since I got catless to give me the catted look in California. Plus came with extentions and clamps that are working perfectly. So congrats on the double you spent and we still making most likely same numbers if it was same mods just different headers.

 

[Sheenapple]

Didn't even mention Texas speed headers in my post. Or bash their fitment or quality, or even discuss sound lol. But you go on .

Thanks! I'm up front and honest about what I spent for my project. My decision was made solely based on O2 bung placement as I run e-85. Literally tossed a coin between ARH and kooks.

To be even more transparent there was no information about Texas speed headers when I did my project. Or at least none that was visible. Company has to get out there and get visible, owned the car for over a year and have heard about sw sp arh kooks. Obx and Texas speed just are late to the game

 

[16s550]

You posted your reply in a thread about Texas speed headers. What other headers could you be talking about? If you have never heard of Texas speed than you must be new to the game because they been around a while. They are late to the mustang scene but if you look up their website you will see all they are capable of. I run flex fuel e85 no issues what so ever. I think you are to caught up in magazines, thread post by people who think they are engineers and just the flashy name brands with big prices. Glad you are happy with what you chose. So am i, and I'd choose it again. No performance difference that I can see what so ever I have also owned other high end brands like kooks but seeing them in person dosnt explain why I should pay double. Let alone dyno dosnt show any reason to either.

 

[Sheenapple]

You posted your reply in a thread about Texas speed headers. What other headers could you be talking about? If you have never heard of Texas speed than you must be new to the game because they been around a while. They are late to the mustang scene but if you look up their website you will see all they are capable of. I run flex fuel e85 no issues what so ever. I think you are to caught up in magazines, thread post by people who think they are engineers and just the flashy name brands with big prices. Glad you are happy with what you chose. So am i, and I'd choose it again. No performance difference that I can see what so ever I have also owned other high end brands like kooks but seeing them in person dosnt explain why I should pay double. Let alone dyno dosnt show any reason to either.

I mean I said budget headers, so twist that how you want. I did a quick search, but any dyno/track numbers for s550 mustang on tsp headers? I am new to the game, but it's not good for a company that makes a product to not even make it into discussion for purchasing options from someone that was in the market for headers.

Why would I be caught up in magazines? Who the fuck reads magazines? would magazines even cover e-85 and O2 sensor issues?

Love the armchair engineer comments towards the more expensive headers. There's a wealth of information regarding why kooks and ARH have the name they do in the S550 community. I don't even need to defend them or the engineering behind them. TSP on the other hand isn't established in our community and would have to prove things.

YOU make insane claims. Stating performance of TSP is equal to kooks or ARH, show us your backing info with slips and dynos. You've stated dyno doesn't explain why you should pay double. Let's see that explained here. Unless you just have armchair numbers and speaking out of your ass and have no idea why you bought these headers other than they're cheaper than the rest.

 

[16s550]

That would be because like I said they have just started producing headers for s550. I've come from the Gm side of the field. Had lots of camaros and Texas speed is huge Gm supplier. Yea maybe can't find many numbers on these exact headers yet but you will. I will be making a thread with all my numbers and mods. I also have been proven multiple times these headers perform because I've race multiple s550s with different setups similar mods. I've either come out on top or neck and neck. The closest track is 2 hours away but I promise I'll post numbers for you. I said the dyno proves there is no reason to spend double because you are gonna make same power give or take a few ponies. Look for my thread soon you will see the numbers. Like I said glad you are happy with your headers and all the money you spent. I was able to get alot of Suspension goodies with the cash I saved. I'll post numbers for you soon enough. Getting Lund tune updated. ;)

 

[Sheenapple]

That would be because like I said they have just started producing headers for s550. I've come from the Gm side of the field. Had lots of camaros and Texas speed is huge Gm supplier. Yea maybe can't find many numbers on these exact headers yet but you will. I will be making a thread with all my numbers and mods. I also have been proven multiple times these headers perform because I've race multiple s550s with different setups similar mods. I've either come out on top or neck and neck. The closest track is 2 hours away but I promise I'll post numbers for you. I said the dyno proves there is no reason to spend double because you are gonna make same power give or take a few ponies. Look for my thread soon you will see the numbers. Like I said glad you are happy with your headers and all the money you spent. I was able to get alot of Suspension goodies with the cash I saved. I'll post numbers for you soon enough. Getting Lund tune updated. ;)

Sounds great!

 

[5.oh]

I have no idea what 1.5 hours of labor and reference ridgerent cost but god damn you talk about getting cheapy headers to save money then piss it away on useless labor.

Obviously money doesn't matter here, but budget headers..?


I normally don't post like this but this is my opinion that needed to be expressed in this 16 page thread. This isn't directed at anyone but please put more thought into your decisions and other people's suggestions.

What I find interesting about your post is that you are disqualifying the TSP headers and you yourself know nothing about them. The only thing you are basing your opinion on is the price.

Didn't even mention Texas speed headers in my post. .

You didn't have to, it's the thread topic.... "Texas speed headers"

 

[TheDivaDanielle]

Hey guys, take your petty bitching and leave it out of my thread.

 

[16s550]

Hey guys, that your petty bitching and leave it out of my thread.

My bad brotha. Love the tsp headers! Thanks for the post! :ford::cheers:

 

[Agent_S550]

For arguments (or lack thereof) sake, I will say this. You're arguing over install details that are so incredibly not different that I find it a poor position to take on a products value. While I understand the addition of labor and fluids/freon to install a product would give you the inclination to purchase something that does not require that, you must first look at price point before creating a decisive win or loss here.

These headers are priced accordingly. Installs have been done with good success and without removing the AC line. Expecting 1200 dollar header performance out of a 600 dollar header would be a fools errand. I don't believe anyone here has substantially taken that position. In a true performance environment I'm sure a better engineered header will shine like a light house but for 95% of the people here and all around the world, TSP/OBX/SP Etc. will do just fine. I'll be considering these when time comes.

Thank you Danielle for the thread and the heads up these even exist. I had no idea until you posted about them.

 

[TheDivaDanielle]

i'm glad i saved the money. instead of just headers, I have headers and a new guitar. car still makes 444 on E85, and I have something else to play. I'm pretty much zero cares here to the fact that according to someone trying to sell something my car could instead make 446 instead of 444 with twice the investment.

 

[4V Mayhem]

For arguments (or lack thereof) sake, I will say this. You're arguing over install details that are so incredibly not different that I find it a poor position to take on a products value. While I understand the addition of labor and fluids/freon to install a product would give you the inclination to purchase something that does not require that, you must first look at price point before creating a decisive win or loss here.

These headers are priced accordingly. Installs have been done with good success and without removing the AC line. Expecting 1200 dollar header performance out of a 600 dollar header would be a fools errand. I don't believe anyone here has substantially taken that position. In a true performance environment I'm sure a better engineered header will shine like a light house but for 95% of the people here and all around the world, TSP/OBX/SP Etc. will do just fine. I'll be considering these when time comes.

Thank you Danielle for the thread and the heads up these even exist. I had no idea until you posted about them.

Performance-wise there will be minimal differences if any at all. The main difference comes down to the details. I get what others are saying about buying cheap headers and then spending the money on labor. However, not everyone has the time, tools, or skills required to do a self-install especially on a Mustang. So they have no choice but to pay for it to be installed. In that case, they still save on the price of the headers because even if they did spend $1200, they'd still have to pay for the install. In this case, they save $600 or more. Some people who self-install might opt to spend an extra $600 or more on better headers since they aren't paying to have it installed. Others might figure they'll save all the way around by getting cheap headers AND self-installing them. And still for others, money is no object and they can afford to by the best headers and then pay for the install. I've seen some shops charging about $1800-$2200 for the Kooks headers and cats, then charge about $900-$1100 for the install...and then another $500 for the tuning. So that comes out to over $3000 for headers. And to them it might be worth it. But to others who can save about $2000, they might see it as a waste of money. So it really depends on what works better for each individual. I can afford to pay $3000 for headers. But I would feel stupid doing so when I can buy cheapies and self-install them. So it really is up to each individual.

I'm considering OBX and TSP myself. But for my Mustang, I will probably go with something a little higher in quality. I've used OBX in the past on my 2010 Camaro SS and it fit great. However I also bought them for my 03 GT years ago and they did not fit at all. So I'm a little skeptical about using them for my 15 GT. I also don't wanna spend $1500 for Kooks. So maybe MBRP might be the best bet for me.

 

[mustang_guy]

Performance-wise there will be minimal differences if any at all .

That isnt true once a blower is introduced. The difference also starts to come out in an all out (cams, porting etc) NA build too. For example an rgr build from jpc.

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