Steeda CAI Review and Install Notes:

[101charley]

Is this the stock air box or the Steeda? I can't really tell from the picture?

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[101charley]

Why can't one simply cut a piece of cardboard or perhaps vinyl and close off the top of the air box? It doesn't see complicated to me. I think there must be a gap between the rubber edge around the top of the air box and the underside of the hood because I see no indentation on the hood liner at all. Why would Steeda leave this open like this? I don't get it. It must be drawing hot air over the lip if it is not sealed to the underside of the hood.

 

[Poppacapp]

I made no claims to validity, I simply stated your data is skewed as you have one set of parameters for one intake but you didn't use the same parameters for the other. This leads your data to be unreliable as they were not tested under the same conditions. FYI, my current responsibilities are as a Test Director for Air Force Research and Development where my job is to design and implement test plans. You can't make an accurate assumption off of so little data without accounting for all the variables, noise, and control factors and achieve a statistical power that gives credit to your claims.

But feel free to keep believing your "observed data". Try reading on Design of Experiments and learn something...I'm going to stop with this back-n-forth.

I ran better in similar DA and conditions with the stock intake than I did with the Steeda. Your job title does not change that(nor do I care). Me not resetting the ECU when I installed the stock intake is your only hail mary pass to grasp onto. I have real world data and proof, whereas you have none, because you have not performed the same tests. This was not a "scientific" experiment, and my point that the Steeda no tune intake gave me no power increase over the stock intake was proven. I challenge you, Mr. Test Planner to prove me wrong in the same conditions.

 

[Evolvd]

Did you skip reading comprehension day? Nowhere have I said you did or didn't make power. I said your information about aluminum was wrong and your testing data is flawed.

There's nothing for me to grab onto, you failed to accurately test the two products in the same conditions ("similar" is not "the same") and a I most certainly am qualified to decide that.

The only thing you've proven is that you have no idea how to do a real test and have drawn conclusions from flawed data.

Either way you're too ignorant to care.

 

[stoli]

Look - Shiny Objects! lol

 

[David@Steeda]

Look - Shiny Objects! lol

Damn that's clean...

 

[Sasuketr]

All of the dyno runs are done with hood open and fan blowing!

My understanding is that even if the car is tuned the high IAT's seem to hurt the launch of the car. So the question is, is a CAI only good for a road coarse application? Looking at the gt350 intake which is similar to Roush design, it kinda makes sense! So the real question is do open air filters always hurt at the drag strip? This thread is becoming more of an experimental research project, which i like

 

[Jeff's FRC]

I ran better in similar DA and conditions with the stock intake than I did with the Steeda. Your job title does not change that(nor do I care). Me not resetting the ECU when I installed the stock intake is your only hail mary pass to grasp onto. I have real world data and proof, whereas you have none, because you have not performed the same tests. This was not a "scientific" experiment, and my point that the Steeda no tune intake gave me no power increase over the stock intake was proven. I challenge you, Mr. Test Planner to prove me wrong in the same conditions.

Your test is about as good as it's gonna get, I'm not sure what else this guy wants. I think he just wants to argue

Then again, he's the same guy that can't comprehend how a lower temp t-stat allows the coolant inside the engine to run at a cooler temp:headbonk:

Your best bet is to just move along and not bother arguing with his job title...lol

 

[Jeff's FRC]

Look - Shiny Objects! lol

That looks awesome!

All of the dyno runs are done with hood open and fan blowing!

My understanding is that even if the car is tuned the high IAT's seem to hurt the launch of the car. So the question is, is a CAI only good for a road coarse application? Looking at the gt350 intake which is similar to Roush design, it kinda makes sense! So the real question is do open air filters always hurt at the drag strip? This thread is becoming more of an experimental research project, which i like

All these reports of high IAT's are what led me to choose the CAI I did with a sealed lid. I Dont think we'll ever have a concrete answer though

 

[Poppacapp]

Did you skip reading comprehension day? Nowhere have I said you did or didn't make power. I said your information about aluminum was wrong and your testing data is flawed.

There's nothing for me to grab onto, you failed to accurately test the two products in the same conditions ("similar" is not "the same") and a I most certainly am qualified to decide that.

The only thing you've proven is that you have no idea how to do a real test and have drawn conclusions from flawed data.

Either way you're too ignorant to care.

I provided all the proof I needed. As far as you clinging to the aluminum issue. I observed the Steeda intake holding more heat over a longer amount of time than the stock intake. This was verified by the IAT readout. Same day.

Regardless, I dont care about the aluminum vs. Plastic debate. I gained no power with the Steeda, which is what I wanted to show.

Again... I challenge you... get a calibrated thermocouple if you need. Prove to me that the Steeda intake cools down faster than the stock intake... at the point where IAT is measured. Should be simple for a genius like yourself, just to prove a point. If not, stfu and have a nice day, Director........

 

[Evolvd]

Your test is about as good as it's gonna get, I'm not sure what else this guy wants. I think he just wants to argue

Then again, he's the same guy that can't comprehend how a lower temp t-stat allows the coolant inside the engine to run at a cooler temp:headbonk:

Your best bet is to just move along and not bother arguing with his job title...lol

Yep way to cross thread discussions. Oh and no one ever explained how the tstat did that now did they considering my CHT is the same as those with a 160 or 170 tstat. I even linked articles proving that a tstat alone does not make power. Take a hike unless your too butt hurt at also being wrong...

 

[Poppacapp]

All of the dyno runs are done with hood open and fan blowing!

My understanding is that even if the car is tuned the high IAT's seem to hurt the launch of the car. So the question is, is a CAI only good for a road coarse application? Looking at the gt350 intake which is similar to Roush design, it kinda makes sense! So the real question is do open air filters always hurt at the drag strip? This thread is becoming more of an experimental research project, which i like

I can see the CAI being more beneficial in a road course environment vs. A drag strip

 

[Evolvd]

I provided all the proof I needed. As far as you clinging to the aluminum issue. I observed the Steeda intake holding more heat over a longer amount of time than the stock intake. This was verified by the IAT readout. Same day.

Regardless, I dont care about the aluminum vs. Plastic debate. I gained no power with the Steeda, which is what I wanted to show.

Again... I challenge you... get a calibrated thermocouple if you need. Prove to me that the Steeda intake cools down faster than the stock intake... at the point where IAT is measured. Should be simple for a genius like yourself, just to prove a point. If not, stfu and have a nice day, Director........

I've already proved it makes more power, as did Steeda. And I'm not the one in here showing his ass by claiming something without a clue as to how you accurately test something while controlling variables. Relying on an oem gauge for accurate data? That's rich, so is claiming that your times on a different drag strip on different days is any way relatable to another.

You can challenge me all you want, it's not my job to back up your claims. I know for fact your data is flawed but if you want to fall on your own sword for it go right ahead. Others have proved this intake makes power and you came into my thread to discuss something other than the topic of install. Your method of test is flawed and don't support your conclusions.. So you too can take a hike.

 

[Poppacapp]

I've already proved it makes more power, as did Steeda. And I'm not the one in here showing his ass by claiming something without a clue as to how you accurately test something while controlling variables. Relying on an oem gauge for accurate data? That's rich, so is claiming that your times on a different drag strip on different days is any way relatable to another.

You can challenge me all you want, it's not my job to back up your claims. I know for fact your data is flawed but if you want to fall on your own sword for it go right ahead. Others have proved this intake makes power and you came into my thread to discuss something other than the topic. So you too can take a hike.

I am sorry. I did not see where you provided proof to the contrary power wise. All I have seen from others is it "feels" like the car gained power. How much power did you gain? My slips from the other track were just for reference. I have many more slips from previous trips to the same track going faster with the stock intake I can post. I sure as hell didnt gain the 22rwhp claimed. Trap speed is the TRUE indicator of actual power. A dyno is nothing more than a tuning tool. You sir, are a joke, and have no ground to stand on.

I was trying to offer my honest observations, not be an ass. You started that mess with your "I am a testing director" bs, as if that somehow would make the intake make more power than stock without a tune.

if ANYONE can prove otherwise, I welcome it. Do it with the hood down, in real world conditio s like I did.

You are also welcome to link your power finding here. I will also be glad to make my own thread with my finding if you like, so you can stay in here.... butthurt because you really didnt make more power on the stock tune.

 

[Evolvd]

A dyno is absolutely a significant indicator of power gains or losses as long as the testing is done on the same dyno on the same tank of gas with the same temp and air pressure, something that can't be done on a drag strip, ever. And again, reading comprehension! I refuted your claim about aluminum and then your supposed test techniques. The joke certainly isn't me and your response just further proves my previous statement that your data is flawed as is your understanding of how to properly test anything.


I wish I had figured out how to ignore posts before now. Some people just can't stomach being told they are wrong and resort to misdirection and twisting of words.
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