STAGE 2 ProCharger Systems for 2015 Mustangs, RELEASED!

[ProChargerTECH]

90% of the guys on here have no idea what your talking about when you say 160's ?!?!? What's that. They only know so much from a certain point in time.

I remember the 160's..... Hell my coupe has a set of hand assembled engineering samples in it!!!

Any GOOD tuner can tune ANYTHING no matter what injectors are in it. That statement by "process" is laughable at best. I'd stay AWAY from a tuner that "won't touch anything that doesn't have data provided"

I have ZERO injector data on my 160's and I tune the car just fine with bs3. Maybe I'm a super genius!!!! Or maybe, juuuuust maybe it's not that hard!

Funny, I just sold my BS3 running 160's on a car. (Street car, AC, idled at 750rpm etc) Now I am running a much smaller motor, however swapped to a ProEFI system and actually do have a set of ID1000's for it, but the have no better idle characteristics then the 160's did. Literally ZERO difference.

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[Process]

Also the Id quality is tough to match.

 

[beefcake]

you can tune other injectors, but in the time you would have to spend on the dyno, trying to dial in the drivability (wot is easy), you would be much better off to do the id's if you plan on growing.

we have been doing a lot of the complete kits for customers, very soon we'll be offering custom packages with the id1000 / bap / lund tuning upgrade that we do for the guys that really want to get after it.

That's the benefit of going with someone like us. Lund has already had a kit for days in person and is already working on very powerful / yet safe custom tunes for the cars.

Once we finalize remote tuning for the 15's, our packages will be unbeatable just as they are on the 11-14 cars.

If you need a tuner or complete kit, be sure to look us up, we always take care of the forum guys!

We have supercharged / remote tuned about 400 coyotes over the last 5 years. I don't think anyone comes close!

Not to mention those weekend installs where you having issues and need help. Tech line is open from 8am to 10pm - 7 days a week!!

 

[15GTPP]

you can tune other injectors, but in the time you would have to spend on the dyno, trying to dial in the drivability (wot is easy), you would be much better off to do the id's if you plan on growing.

we have been doing a lot of the complete kits for customers, very soon we'll be offering custom packages with the id1000 / bap / lund tuning upgrade that we do for the guys that really want to get after it.

That's the benefit of going with someone like us. Lund has already had a kit for days in person and is already working on very powerful / yet safe custom tunes for the cars.

Once we finalize remote tuning for the 15's, our packages will be unbeatable just as they are on the 11-14 cars.

If you need a tuner or complete kit, be sure to look us up, we always take care of the forum guys!

We have supercharged / remote tuned about 400 coyotes over the last 5 years. I don't think anyone comes close!

Not to mention those weekend installs where you having issues and need help. Tech line is open from 8am to 10pm - 7 days a week!!

I'll be ordering an HO kit from you very soon. My plan is to get the tuner kit with id1000''s and a custom Lund tune. Please keep us updated on when that will be available.

 

[beefcake]

I'll be ordering an HO kit from you very soon. My plan is to get the tuner kit with id1000''s and a custom Lund tune. Please keep us updated on when that will be available.

the tuner kit and ids we can do now we are just waiting on the nguage for final setup to where we can start remote tuning the cars

the one lund did last week left around 658 with a nice safe tune on it.

on average, I think our average tune will leave about 50-60 more hp than the 11-14's did

 

[ProChargerTECH]

you can tune other injectors, but in the time you would have to spend on the dyno, trying to dial in the drivability (wot is easy),

Us old school guys, and GM/Dodge tuners never got the joy of any "drag and drop" tuning. Everything had to be done by hand, on each car. So you can get VERY fast at correctly scaling and mapping injectors and MAF curves. Because well, you had to.

Obviously the mail order guys like LUND/Bama don't want to do every injector under the sun, because that is not their business model. Surly they would rather have every car have the same injector, because that speeds up their process, and thus makes it easier to make $$ faster.

But if a person is having it tuned by someone other then a "mail order/remote" tuner, then they can use pretty much any injector they want. And I have never heard of a tuner charging extra time to figure out how to dial in an injector. That would be like a doctor charging you to learn how to operate on a knee for the first time.

Any solid tuner GM/Dodge/Ford/Stand Alone, can tune ANY injector below 1600 with ease on a street car. (the 2120's are pushing it on these small motors, unless its E85) Any brand, even cheap OEM injectors. There is a reason why you don't see many massive high HP GM's running around with ID brand injectors. Its because there really is no benefit to them, because the tuners don't care. (a few do, but not many) Cause a set of cheap injectors work just fine, when making 1,200+ HP LS motor cars.

 

[beefcake]

Us old school guys, and GM/Dodge tuners never got the joy of any "drag and drop" tuning. Everything had to be done by hand, on each car. So you can get VERY fast at correctly scaling and mapping injectors and MAF curves. Because well, you had to.

Obviously the mail order guys like LUND/Bama don't want to do every injector under the sun, because that is not their business model. Surly they would rather have every car have the same injector, because that speeds up their process, and thus makes it easier to make $$ faster.

But if a person is having it tuned by someone other then a "mail order/remote" tuner, then they can use pretty much any injector they want. And I have never heard of a tuner charging extra time to figure out how to dial in an injector. That would be like a doctor charging you to learn how to operate on a knee for the first time.

Any solid tuner GM/Dodge/Ford/Stand Alone, can tune ANY injector below 1600 with ease on a street car. (the 2120's are pushing it on these small motors, unless its E85) Any brand, even cheap OEM injectors. There is a reason why you don't see many massive high HP GM's running around with ID brand injectors. Its because there really is no benefit to them, because the tuners don't care. (a few do, but not many) Cause a set of cheap injectors work just fine, when making 1,200+ HP LS motor cars.

i agree, same injector makes it easier, but the flow matching id uses and the data they provide make the drivability so much better.

the old school 60's and 80's, just don't tune "as well" at the low speed stuff like the id's do.

we started with 60's back in 2010 on our car, and they worked, but the ford 47's, id 1000's, all have much better drivability imo.

what i meant by spending more, is if your paying a tuner to tune by the hour on the dyno or in person, to get the drivability how you want, i do think it's going to take more time with a 60 or 80.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

what i meant by spending more, is if your paying a tuner to tune by the hour on the dyno or in person, to get the drivability how you want, i do think it's going to take more time with a 60 or 80.

Dang, tuners can get paid by the hour. I must move to this land.
Usually its the "Here is $450" please solve all of the problems my car has had for over a year, and while you are at it diagnose everything that is wrong with it, oh and can you get that done in 3 hours"

 

[beefcake]

Dang, tuners can get paid by the hour. I must move to this land.
Usually its the "Here is $450" please solve all of the problems my car has had for over a year, and while you are at it diagnose everything that is wrong with it, oh and can you get that done in 3 hours"

roflmfao

 

[Nye]

Nobody "NEEDS" ID1000's.
There are lots of injectors that fit, 950s, 1000s, 1270s, 1300s etc.

The ID1000's just seem to be common, because the company made it "easy" on the tuners, but supplying injector data for the ECU. However if your having a custom tuned made you can pick whatever injector you want.

However F1A's are a VERY robust blower for the 800rwhp range.
With plenty of room to grow. I bet someone will make that power with the D1SC, just as the C7 that just laid down 837rwhp with a P-1SC-1.

But nothing wrong with the F-1A

So you think the D1SC will get me 800-900rwhp with headers and exhaust on E85

 

[tmcbigblue]

Probably a dumb question, but how does remote tuning work. I don't know much about it. Thanks!

 

[Process]

So you think the D1SC will get me 800-900rwhp with headers and exhaust on E85

you'll need a fuel system but yes. ID1000's and a dual pump dcss 465 setup will get you there. I'm pretty certain and we will find out here when my setup arrives, but ID1000/JMS Fuel Max on E85 is probably going to max the pump out around mid 700s.

 

[Nye]

you'll need a fuel system but yes. ID1000's and a dual pump dcss 465 setup will get you there. I'm pretty certain and we will find out here when my setup arrives, but ID1000/JMS Fuel Max on E85 is probably going to max the pump out around mid 700s.

Keep us posted.

 

[Process]

Keep us posted.

Well if it means much, a friend of mine has a 2014 with a Paxton 2200 on his car, and ID1000s, with a JMS fuel max, and he is pegging the pumps with 12psi with the fuelmax set to 21v on E85. I'd assume he is probably right around the 700whp mark. It's an auto car so probably slightly less, but the 2011-2014 is supposed to have a smaller pump than a 2015.

He is making this assumption based on the STFT's are always going above 1.0 at higher rpm's. Acting like he is running out of fuel. He since switched to a dual pump setup.

So my personal recommendation is, skip the bap and run a dual pump setup if youre going E85 and Boost. But I'll be able to see exactly where the bap becomes a limitation with my setup on the 2015.

 

[beefcake]

Well if it means much, a friend of mine has a 2014 with a Paxton 2200 on his car, and ID1000s, with a JMS fuel max, and he is pegging the pumps with 12psi with the fuelmax set to 21v on E85. I'd assume he is probably right around the 700whp mark. It's an auto car so probably slightly less, but the 2011-2014 is supposed to have a smaller pump than a 2015.

He is making this assumption based on the STFT's are always going above 1.0 at higher rpm's. Acting like he is running out of fuel. He since switched to a dual pump setup.

its a good idea to get a f/p gauge for e85. just to see how much f/p is dropping

from what we've seen on the 11-14 cars, the f/p will drop to around 40psi from the static 55. the id's will usually hold the a/f still up to about 700, but they are def dropping pressure

will be interesting to see where these top at.

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