Sports mode

[OppoLock]

That turns off advance trac completely. Traction control is turned off by just hitting the switch once.


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You are completely right! TIL. I just tried it out and now I think I have a new favorite configuration: track, TCS off, normal/comfort weighting. I went and flung the nose off car at a remote U-turn and jammed the throttle to see how things played out. Amazing. You can ham-fist this thing and pull off ridiculous slides so long as you understand the basics of countersteer input. Massive slip angle before track mode's STM nudges things back.

whats advance trac?

Stability control, also known as ESC or STM (and other brands have other names like DSC, ESP, VDC, etc.). Where traction control regulates straight-line wheel slip under throttle by managing engine control (and sometimes brake input), STM regulates the amount of rotation (i.e. yaw) by individual brake application on top of engine control.

If you want the wheels to spin when you mash the go pedal, you want to disable traction control. If you want to keep things pointing in the intended direction of where you're steering, you want stability control. If you want more sideways slip before the curtains intervene, you want higher thresholds for STM intervention. Applying that to the S550, each mode that goes up in aggression allows higher degrees of wheel spin and yaw before intervention. But none of the modes fully disable TCS unless you manually choose to flick the TCS off button once. And you have to HOLD the TCS button for seven seconds to eliminate AdvanceTrac/STM. The thresholds are so high in track mode with TCS off that I don't think I'll ever bother fully disabling everything anymore.

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[Tim Hilliard]

whats advance trac?

Page 143-144 of your owners manual.

 

[Tim Hilliard]

You are completely right! TIL. I just tried it out and now I think I have a new favorite configuration: track, TCS off, normal/comfort weighting. I went and flung the nose off car at a remote U-turn and jammed the throttle to see how things played out. Amazing. You can ham-fist this thing and pull off ridiculous slides so long as you understand the basics of countersteer input. Massive slip angle before track mode's STM nudges things back.

And you have to HOLD the TCS button for seven seconds to eliminate AdvanceTrac/STM. The thresholds are so high in track mode with TCS off that I don't think I'll ever bother fully disabling everything anymore.

So I ran within 6 seconds a lap while I was not anywhere near any level of discomfort of a very well driven GT500(my coach who won his AS Championship last year) while I still had my traction control on?!?! :headbonk: The base model does not have a track mode and it took a massive stab on the gas while drifting out of a dropping, off camber left turn to get my car to step out and then the ADV stepped in which was a little :frusty: but probably a good thing. The group I run with strongly encourages the use of nanny controls, keeps everyone safer that way.

Ford needs to come on here and explain clearly the differences between Base GT and Premium GT modes. I still have never gotten any hint of T/C in Sport Mode. I wish they would breakdown exactly what thresholds are for each mode.

 

[kz]

So when you switch to track mode, display shows T/C off - so then T/C button switches it even more off or what ? Different tresholds ?

(Got the fact that and holding T/C 7 seconds turns stability control off)

 

[OppoLock]

So I ran within 6 seconds a lap while I was not anywhere near any level of discomfort of a very well driven GT500(my coach who won his AS Championship last year) while I still had my traction control on?!?! :headbonk: The base model does not have a track mode and it took a massive stab on the gas while drifting out of a dropping, off camber left turn to get my car to step out and then the ADV stepped in which was a little :frusty: but probably a good thing. The group I run with strongly encourages the use of nanny controls, keeps everyone safer that way.

Ford needs to come on here and explain clearly the differences between Base GT and Premium GT modes. I still have never gotten any hint of T/C in Sport Mode. I wish they would breakdown exactly what thresholds are for each mode.

Maybe sport mode retains a light touch of TCS? I'm starting to second guess myself now, Christ.

So when you switch to track mode, display shows T/C off - so then T/C button switches it even more off or what ? Different tresholds ?

(Got the fact that and holding T/C 7 seconds turns stability control off)

I'm starting to go crazy. If it does, then it confuses the hell out of me because when I go in track mode, I can still use LC. When I then hit TC off, it says "traction control disabled" followed by "launch control disabled." Plus the slip angles are definitely different.

But reading reviews online states otherwise. Having a big field of Tarmac to do some controlled testing would be nice right now...

 

[SVTFreak]

Maybe sport mode retains a light touch of TCS? I'm starting to second guess myself now, Christ.

It does. It changes settings and let's it get a little stupider but does stay on.

 

[OppoLock]

It does. It changes settings and let's it get a little stupider but does stay on.

So the base sport mode is the same as the premium sport mode? I wasn't sure if the double tap in base was a direct translation to the mode you could select with the toggles. Makes sense though.

 

[Tim Hilliard]

I tried for several minutes to switch t/c off while in Sport. The base only lets you turn t/c off or on. If you turn it off the same button double tapped does not put it in sport mode, it turns it back on and then back off....but if you double tap the button and put it in sport mode you cant hit the button again to turn off T/C because it will turn off sport mode. So in my car a Base GT, I drive it and track it in Sport Mode. I have no f-ing idea what the black mystery boxes are actually doing after today but I'm afraid to turn everything off now that I am used to it in Sport. If in fact the T/C is intervening in Sport Mode someone needs to buy the programmers at Ford a :cheers: because it is not detectable except when it stepped out on me because yes I just figured it out as I typed this. It would have to use T/C to straighten the car out :doh:

 

[JoelinNOVA]

No idea where the not legal part came from. If so then why did my C7 Stingray stay in sport mode? Track mode yes where all traction controls are off then it started back in touring. I just think the legal Nancy's at Ford and trust me I worked for them they are way conservative with everything.

 

[Surtur]

finally got to try sport mode today for the first time...


im in love.

 

[OppoLock]

No idea where the not legal part came from. If so then why did my C7 Stingray stay in sport mode? Track mode yes where all traction controls are off then it started back in touring. I just think the legal Nancy's at Ford and trust me I worked for them they are way conservative with everything.

It's a legal requirement for every vehicle to default to its standard ESC settings upon each new ignition cycle. If your C7 can retain its more aggressive throttle maps, damper settings (if it has MRC) and steering weights as a separate parameter from its traction modes, that's the only way I could see it being legal c

In certain circumstances, drivers may have legitimate reasons to disengage the ESC system or limit its ability to intervene, such as when the vehicle is stuck in sand/gravel, is being used while equipped with snow chains, or is being run on a track for maximum performance. Accordingly, under this final rule, vehicle manufacturers may include a driver*selectable switch that places the ESC system in a mode in which it does not satisfy the performance requirements of the standard (e.g., “sport” mode or full*off mode). However, if the vehicle manufacturer chooses this option, it must ensure that the ESC system always returns to the fully*functional default mode at the initiation of each new ignition cycle, regardless of the mode the driver had previously selected (with certain exceptions for low speed off*road axle/transfer case selections that turn off ESC, but cannot be reset electronically). If the vehicle manufacturer chooses this option, it must also provide an “ESC Off” control and a telltale that is mounted inside the occupant compartment in front of and in clear view of the driver. Such telltale must remain continuously illuminated for as long as the ESC is in a mode that renders it unable to meet the performance requirements of the standard, whenever the ignition locking system is in the “On” (“Run”) position.

Page 18: http://www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/Rulemaking/Rules/Associated Files/ESC_FR_03_2007.pdf

 

[daltron]

I was thinking about a 2015 GT w/ PP, but a little bummed I wouldn't get the driving mode selector for increased throttle response. For those with Premium, is it that big of a difference?

 

[OppoLock]

I was thinking about a 2015 GT w/ PP, but a little bummed I wouldn't get the driving mode selector for increased throttle response. For those with Premium, is it that big of a difference?

I prefer the more aggressive throttle map in track mode, but you'll be able to select sport mode in the base model, and if it's identical to the premium's sport mode calibrations, you'll be more than happy with it.

 

[daltron]

I prefer the more aggressive throttle map in track mode, but you'll be able to select sport mode in the base model, and if it's identical to the premium's sport mode calibrations, you'll be more than happy with it.

Would a tune do the same thing?

 

[foghat]

I was thinking about a 2015 GT w/ PP, but a little bummed I wouldn't get the driving mode selector for increased throttle response. For those with Premium, is it that big of a difference?

Throttle response is a big difference between normal and Sport+ As is steering, but I think you can adjust steering in base model.

I prefer the more aggressive throttle map in track mode, but you'll be able to select sport mode in the base model, and if it's identical to the premium's sport mode calibrations, you'll be more than happy with it.

I'd be curious to know for sure if they are the same. I kind of gather, based on other comments, they are not. Though I'm not sure what the difference is (if there is one). If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it is the reduced traction control that you get in the Base's Sport mode and no throttle/steering response changes. But I could be off.

Maybe that is why in Base it is called Sport and in Premium it is Sport+

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