Second thoughts on GT PP

[pietran30]

Hey guys, I currently drive a 2010 challenger RT. I ordered a mustang gt performance package on 12/10. I've got about 3 weeks left until delivery, but I'm having second thoughts.

I love my challenger, but wanted something more powerful from the factory, and a newer interior. I'm now torn between the gt or a new scat pack.

The pros of the gt:
Similar straight line performance.
Much better handling for track or twisty roads.
Cheaper price. With x-plan pricing my car is costing me $35500 OTD.
I personally like the styling of the 2015.
Track apps.
More aftermarket support.

Cons of the gt:
More cramped interior.
435hp vs 485.
Less torque.
Plain old gauges for speedometer and tach.


Pros of scat pack:
485hp 475lb-ft tq!!!
Awesome exterior and styling.
Nice interior and retro gauges.
Track apps/performance pages.

Cons of scat pack:
Very large.
Expensive for me. I couldn't afford anymore then an OTD price of $40000.


Anyone have any insight? I know I'll get some biased opinions on here, but I'll probably post this on challengertalk to get some equally biased opinions lol.

I really wish I could just have both haha.

Someone is going to comment on how the scat pack is only a straight line car but I'm ok with that, since ill probably only ever drag the car if I ever go to the track.

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[Farrdaddy]

I am 6'6" 250lbs and the 2015 seats are the most comfortable mustang seats I have been in

 

[OppoLock]

Remember that power to weight is more important than strict peak figures when it comes to straight line grunt. The Challenger has a lot of additional heft offsetting its power advantages. It comes down to your driving priorities more than anything.

 

[opensesame]

IMHO 2015 Mustang Interior > Challenger Interior any day.

With the savings your getting on the GT, you can get upgrades to bring it wayyy past 485 hp.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

I love the Challenger. But the interior of a Mustang (especially a premium) is MUCH nicer than the Scat Pack interior (which is a stripped-down version of the interior in the SRT, hence the cheaper price). Challenger was out for me because it's too big to easily find parking spots for. But it is a nice car.

 

[EcoSwag1990]

IMHO 2015 Mustang Interior > Challenger Interior any day.

With the savings your getting on the GT, you can get upgrades to bring it wayyy past 485 hp.

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[erne75]

Hey guys, I currently drive a 2010 challenger RT. I ordered a mustang gt performance package on 12/10. I've got about 3 weeks left until delivery, but I'm having second thoughts.

I love my challenger, but wanted something more powerful from the factory, and a newer interior. I'm now torn between the gt or a new scat pack.

The pros of the gt:
Similar straight line performance.
Much better handling for track or twisty roads.
Cheaper price. With x-plan pricing my car is costing me $35500 OTD.
I personally like the styling of the 2015.
Track apps.
More aftermarket support.

Cons of the gt:
More cramped interior.
435hp vs 485.
Less torque.
Plain old gauges for speedometer and tach.


Pros of scat pack:
485hp 475lb-ft tq!!!
Awesome exterior and styling.
Nice interior and retro gauges.
Track apps/performance pages.

Cons of scat pack:
Very large.
Expensive for me. I couldn't afford anymore then an OTD price of $40000.


Anyone have any insight? I know I'll get some biased opinions on here, but I'll probably post this on challengertalk to get some equally biased opinions lol.

I really wish I could just have both haha.

Someone is going to comment on how the scat pack is only a straight line car but I'm ok with that, since ill probably only ever drag the car if I ever go to the track.

With the $5k that you are saving going with the Mustang you are well on your way of getting a centrifugal supercharger...If that doesnt tip the balance for you, then maybe you should get the Dodge.
To be fair I wouldnt mind having a scat pack for a second vehicle...

 

[MrPlutonium]

Another thing to keep in mind: the 8 speed auto in the Challenger is a really good transmission. If you were going to buy a manual, then it's a wash but that auto box really does change the equation quite a bit. Much heavier car with more interior space (particularly the rear) delivers nearly identical fuel economy to the Mustang.

That said, the auto box comes with cylinder deactivation and I'm not sure how Chrysler deals with it but GM's and Honda's systems are both known for excessive oil consumption. I haven't heard anything particularly bad about Chrysler's system but I have heard it is sensitive to changes in oil viscosity due to the valves being held closed by oil presure. Other than that it's a heck of a car.

 

[blkandgud]

I'm the only one who will disagree here....if you want more space and comfort, the Challenger is def the way to go. It's bigger, roomier, and more of a people hauler. The Mustang, while nice, is much much smaller and cramped.

Also depends on your usage. Are you looking for a fun car? Or looking for something that is fun but can carry a lot of people? If the latter, I would have to recommend the Challenger over the Mustang. You'll regret having a smaller cramped car after a while. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Netromancer]

I know everyone loves to see those big horsepower and torque numbers but throw in some turns and the Mustang wins hands down.

For example check out the track times at the Streets of Willow. The Mustang GT PP beats the Scat pack by 1.47 seconds around the track. An even more fun comparison is the GT vs the Charger Hellcat, the GT beats it by 2.55 seconds.

 

[IndustryLeech]

Similar straight line performance up to about 80 MPH. After that the GT pulls away from the Challenger pretty quickly. It depends on what you want to do in the car. Maybe the upper MPH doesn't matter to you.

Also, I'd give the Mustang much higher marks on interior quality and design.

 

[Khyber]

GT all day and every day...but i'm a Chrysler/dodge hater so take my opinion for what it is lol.

seriously though the challenger is cool in a retro kind of way but personally the GT is sexy and challenger is fat. haha

 

[yjack]

Personally I don't think you can go wrong with either car. But I think Mustang may retain better resale value, I got 66% for 38 months ownership out of my 12 GT.

 

[Endokendal]

Hey guys, I currently drive a 2010 challenger RT. I ordered a mustang gt performance package on 12/10. I've got about 3 weeks left until delivery, but I'm having second thoughts.

I love my challenger, but wanted something more powerful from the factory, and a newer interior. I'm now torn between the gt or a new scat pack.

Have you test driven them both? Which do you like better DRIVING?

 

[1320']

The Mustang is much better in the twisties, and always will be. The Scat Pack is no slouch, but that is not its native realm.

Keep in mind about the Challenger..You can buy a memebership to TreadLightly for $100 which will give you access to FCA Affiliate pricing (1% under invoice) which will put a Scat Pack Auto at just about $37,500 +TTL, not 40,000. The current "record" bone stock (factory tire) run for the Scat Pack is 12.14 @ 114 MPH (-1,000 ft DA I think). Corrected for altitude it comes out to 12.22 @ 113 on stock rubber.

• Pro:
  
  It'll get better fuel economy both in town and on the highway. Real world people are seeing 25-26 hwy MPG's and about 17 in the city. Combined is about 23.
  
  It also has track apps. The Scat Pack has two drive modes, street and sport. Individual parameters are adjustable via the Performance Pages.
• Uconnect is the best infotainment system. Period. End of story.
  
  The 8 Speed *is* an amazing transmission. It's easily the best of the Big 3, and in the top 5 in the NA market in general.
  
  The stock exhaust is the equal of any aftermarket exhaust for the Mustang. It also does not have the cats combined with the exhaust manifolds, going to cat-less mids is a matter of unbolting vs cutting and welding.
• The 392 puts out over 400 ft lbs of torque starting at about 2,800RPM and pulls to a peak torque of 475 at 4,200. It's torque curve is damn near flat which means it pulls like a freight train.

The stock "shorty" exhaust manifolds on the 392 have been shown to support over 700 HP, because they're the same design as the Hellcat. You'll gain power with LT's, but they're nowhere near needed.

...but there is also a sizable list of CON's


The Scat Pack is a hefty girl, 4,160 at the curb. "Light weighting" is tough on the Challenger, as most of the weight is structure and content. You can realistically get it down to about 4,060 without making it obvious (lighter battery, removing the spare/tire inflator etc, trunk padding, etc). In time some things will become available for the 2015's (aluminum 1 pc drive shaft, etc). 4,000lbs is possible, but not for a bit. So the Challenger will always be about 350lbs heavier.


As of this moment there is *no* tuning available for ANY 2015 Mopar. A few vendors expect it to be available by end of the year at the earlier.


Modifications DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT have the same impact on Hemi's as they do on the 5.0. What might gain you 25HWP on a Mustang may only pick you up 10-15 on a Challenger.


The Challenger is tough to get into tight parking spaces, parking garages, etc. Not impossible, it's not like you're trying to put a LTD or El Dorado away, but it's a noticeably bigger car. However it's also only about 1/2" wider than the Mustang, so the size isn't a much as you would think width wise.


Aftermarket support for the Challenger will always be smaller than the Mustang, no getting around it. What is available will be more expensive on average, and when tuning becomes available, you likely will not be able to go down to your local shop and have it tuned on site, you'll need to datalog and email it to a Hemi tuner or travel to a Hemi shop.



It's really up to you. When you factor in the Challenger not needing to change the exhaust (+$1,000 to the Mustang) your price difference is about $1,000 between the Mustang and the Challenger.

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