Scammed by Jackson1320

[Superspirit]

Just want everyone to know Paypal isn't always your friend! I purchased parts from FORD PARTS PRIME and was missing items. Never got the items or a refund. Went through Paypal and the vendor offered full refund only if I shipped what I had received back at a cost higher than the missing parts. No partial refund available and they would not send out the missing parts. So PayPal isn't always trustable. CC or cash in person!

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[Cobra Jet]

Pretty good "detective work" by the M6Gers... funny at times, but really a sad reality that there are people who continually get away with skipping out on obligations or scamming others.

So to the OP @andrewtac -
Since the cost of your loss is beyond the CA laws for grand theft conviction, pursue the charges. You also need to pursue theft by mail, because using the Postal Service or like enterprise is a possible Federal Conviction.

I would pursue your loss through every legal channel possible.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Well then I’m probably in the minority as usual but I want to see him get back on here and either defend himself or admit defeat, even though he’ll obviously never do it.

Important that M6G Mirandas him first.

 

[Zrussian13]

Just want everyone to know Paypal isn't always your friend! I purchased parts from FORD PARTS PRIME and was missing items. Never got the items or a refund. Went through Paypal and the vendor offered full refund only if I shipped what I had received back at a cost higher than the missing parts. No partial refund available and they would not send out the missing parts. So PayPal isn't always trustable. CC or cash in person!

Agreed. With PayPal if the seller ships you anything that's all the proof they need for PayPal to back them. Your CC company will do a lot more for you in those circumstances. Also I've had issues with PayPal not accepting your claim if it's past 30 days from the point of sale.

 

[illtal]

Word to the wise, most installers and builders are busy working not posting up on M6G.

 

[Angrey]

Pretty good "detective work" by the M6Gers... funny at times, but really a sad reality that there are people who continually get away with skipping out on obligations or scamming others.

So to the OP @andrewtac -
Since the cost of your loss is beyond the CA laws for grand theft conviction, pursue the charges. You also need to pursue theft by mail, because using the Postal Service or like enterprise is a possible Federal Conviction.

I would pursue your loss through every legal channel possible.

That was much of the point of my long winded post. MOST LIKELY even if you try to pursue "criminal" charges, if the shitbag can show that he's some sort of business and that he's simply struggling, law enforcement will chalk it up to a civil matter. You'd have to PROVE that he intentionally defrauded (with preemption) rather than he's just defaulting on a business venture/interaction. Of course, that's easier if the LE conducts searches and raids of his documents, communications, etc. But they won't do that. They just don't GAF and they'll sleep soundly under the guise that it's just something for litigation to resolve.

Once you're in THAT circumstance, you start to realize you'll spend more on attorneys and representation than you did on the loss and despite all the TV lawyer shows, the reality is damages for legal expenses is a toss up and it's up to the judge. You can petition for it and try to recover and make the losing party pay for legal expenses but it's not a certainty at all. (in essence, even if you WIN your case, you COULD not get compensation for your legal expenses so EVEN IF you somehow collect, which is always a crap shoot as well, it could be that it's not even enough to pay your attorney fees).

It's complete bullshit the state of our legal system (both civil and criminal) in respect to this stuff. It's similar to grand theft auto. Cops and LE in general do not GAF about auto theft. They just don't. With all the zillions of cameras and footage, you could catch 99% of auto theft in even remotely urbanized locales (which is where it's most occurring) with some simple investigation work (and access to camera footage). But they won't do it. Why? That's what insurance is for (at least in their minds). The only time they'll GAF about it is if they happen to stumble onto the plates of a stolen vehicle or happen upon it in a different search warrant. They rarely actively pursue missing vehicles just for the sake of recovering a vehicle. Their attitude is "that's what insurance is for."

 

[illtal]

That was much of the point of my long winded post. MOST LIKELY even if you try to pursue "criminal" charges, if the shitbag can show that he's some sort of business and that he's simply struggling, law enforcement will chalk it up to a civil matter. You'd have to PROVE that he intentionally defrauded (with preemption) rather than he's just defaulting on a business venture/interaction. Of course, that's easier if the LE conducts searches and raids of his documents, communications, etc. But they won't do that. They just don't GAF and they'll sleep soundly under the guise that it's just something for litigation to resolve.

Once you're in THAT circumstance, you start to realize you'll spend more on attorneys and representation than you did on the loss and despite all the TV lawyer shows, the reality is damages for legal expenses is a toss up and it's up to the judge. You can petition for it and try to recover and make the losing party pay for legal expenses but it's not a certainty at all. (in essence, even if you WIN your case, you COULD not get compensation for your legal expenses so EVEN IF you somehow collect, which is always a crap shoot as well, it could be that it's not even enough to pay your attorney fees).

It's complete bullshit the state of our legal system (both civil and criminal) in respect to this stuff. It's similar to grand theft auto. Cops and LE in general do not GAF about auto theft. They just don't. With all the zillions of cameras and footage, you could catch 99% of auto theft in even remotely urbanized locales (which is where it's most occurring) with some simple investigation work (and access to camera footage). But they won't do it. Why? That's what insurance is for (at least in their minds). The only time they'll GAF about it is if they happen to stumble onto the plates of a stolen vehicle or happen upon it in a different search warrant. They rarely actively pursue missing vehicles just for the sake of recovering a vehicle. Their attitude is "that's what insurance is for."

It's time for some "skreet" justice...

 

[Angrey]

Agreed. With PayPal if the seller ships you anything that's all the proof they need for PayPal to back them. Your CC company will do a lot more for you in those circumstances. Also I've had issues with PayPal not accepting your claim if it's past 30 days from the point of sale.

Most "amateur" sales credit cards aren't really an option. Which is why vehicles like Paypal, Zelle, Cash App, etc are used. Of all those, PP offers the best protections. Obviously it's not foolproof, but in cases where you don't receive an item (at all) it's been rock solid for me. I took a chance on an obscure website selling Playstation 5 consoles and after missing the ship date and not responding, I filed a PP claim. they gave them 14 days to respond to my claim and on day 15 the money was back to me. I did the same thing earlier this year with a major Mustang vendor who kept telling me the item was out of stock (when I called the manufacturer who told me that was not the case). Filed a claim and got my money returned.

From what I've found the credit card avenue largely depends on your bank policy. If you use Visa or Mastercard, it's not them you're dealing with, it's the issuer, which is usually your bank or a bank of some sorts. So whatever they're policies happen to be is what you must contend with.

 

[Angrey]

It's time for some "skreet" justice...

True. But let's say I'm screwed out of $4k. Is it worth potentially going to jail for a violent felony (ranging from stalking to kidnapping, felony assault and battery, etc) and potentially having a permanent criminal record over $4k? Not to me.

Most people don't realize that even if you're CHARGED or simply arrested but never charged (let alone indicted and convicted), it stays on your record searches and it's a real MF to get it expunged and removed. I have a friend who was arrested for DUI, beat it and it took him years to get it removed from criminal records searches.

 

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[shogun32]

But let's say I'm screwed out of $4k. Is it worth potentially going to jail for a violent felony (ranging from stalking to kidnapping, felony assault and battery, etc) and potentially having a permanent criminal record over $4k? Not to me.

isn't that why there are lots of holes in the desert north of Las Vegas? Maybe a friendly word to the local drug kingpin or biker gang?

 

[cerbomark]

If you have the time just go file the civil suit (probably in the county which he does business). Represent yourself, let it all play out. When he doesn't appear at least he ll have paper on him and maybe a judgment. Sure you MAY never see the money but some aggravation for him would be well served. You seem to have all the documents already. I wish you well!

 

[illtal]

True. But let's say I'm screwed out of $4k. Is it worth potentially going to jail for a violent felony (ranging from stalking to kidnapping, felony assault and battery, etc) and potentially having a permanent criminal record over $4k? Not to me.

Most people don't realize that even if you're CHARGED or simply arrested but never charged (let alone indicted and convicted), it stays on your record searches and it's a real MF to get it expunged and removed. I have a friend who was arrested for DUI, beat it and it took him years to get it removed from criminal records searches.

Hire a PI with a sense of justice

 

[HoosierDaddy]

isn't that why there are lots of holes in the desert north of Las Vegas? Maybe a friendly word to the local drug kingpin or biker gang?

Yep, if all else fails, give a biker gang all the parts or rather give them a bill of sale for the parts.

I knew someone in the mid 70's who got taken on a cattle ranching scam. When the law failed him and attorneys wanted too much for possible no return (no contingency deals), he gave his shares to the Dirty Dozen biker gang. LoL

 

[Mikepol2]

I did the same thing earlier this year with a major Mustang vendor who kept telling me the item was out of stock (when I called the manufacturer who told me that was not the case).

Let me guess, American Muscle, that's like their whole sales M.O.

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