S550 values to increase?

[MAGS1]

Dark Horse interior I saw on a FS add.... really? they can keep those IMO.

I will say, when you actually sit in the driver seat it’s not as bad. Definitely room for improvement but it’s not as bad as photos make it appear

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[350 Feet]

I will say, when you actually sit in the driver seat it’s not as bad. Definitely room for improvement but it’s not as bad as photos make it appear

This was kinda my point all along with this thread. If the new stuff isn’t really better than the old stuff, yet pricing is WAY up, doesn’t that bode well for the S550?
I just purchased my GT350 because I felt the financial timing was right. Bring a $120-130k GT350 to market and I felt that adds instant value to the S550.
The best extended warranty is small potatoes compared to that $50k price increase. And we get to make awesome noises while doing it!

 

[kz]

Bunch of special people in this thread making themselves feel better by talking nonsense about S650. C'mon guys, this is stupid. Dark Horse is without a doubt a really good car - only one that comes close is Mach 1 but DH seems to be better.

You may not like interior but this is where current design trends are and they probably had no choice.
Only issue with DH is its price.

Instead of being happy Ford keeps making the Mustang we get this bullshit about "values" on cars that for the most part depreciate heavily.

 

[MAGS1]

This was kinda my point all along with this thread. If the new stuff isn’t really better than the old stuff, yet pricing is WAY up, doesn’t that bode well for the S550?
I just purchased my GT350 because I felt the financial timing was right. Bring a $120-130k GT350 to market and I felt that adds instant value to the S550.
The best extended warranty is small potatoes compared to that $50k price increase. And we get to make awesome noises while doing it!

For the special models like the S550 Shelby’s, the fact that Ford/Ford Performance will not be making a Shelby for S650 will help hold values on the S550 Shelby’s. No doubt in my mind there. Bullitt should hold its value well too and Mach’s are doing pretty good also. I’ve not driven a DH but from what I’ve heard from others it’s every bit as good as the Mach (maybe a little better) save for the price tag.

The Eco’s and GT’s? Maybe. At the very least, they may not depreciate as hard or get as low as they may have in previous generations. But I think that can be said for a lot of different cars just given how expensive everything new is.

I have driven several S650’s, they’re very good. I personally don’t need all the tech in the new cars but it’s not a deal killer for me, nor is the interior layout. I had one ordered and yeah it was pricey (I ordered a GT/CS with the Performance Pack so it was loaded). Still, you get a lot of car for the price and it was still cheaper than a loaded up M2 (I know, not exactly apples to apples comp there) and sounds way better. I ended up letting go of my ordered car and never took delivery. Not because I didn’t like it, but I found something else at what I felt was a better value.

 

[S550HPP]

I will say, when you actually sit in the driver seat it’s not as bad. Definitely room for improvement but it’s not as bad as photos make it appear

It's is true I had a few rentals though when changing settings it was PITA with bumps and very distracting....

 

[Lorne34]

I had my eye on the GT350's when they came out, but was driven away by the ADM hype and the fact that it was a new engine design. I decided to purchase an S550 GT and see what would happen to the 350. Then the engine issues started happening, along with the Tech Pkg cooler issue. I was glad I waited and really enjoyed the S550 GT. Once I began searching for another GT350 in 2019 after the Gen2 motor and model refresh I felt the value was there. Originally was looking at new, but then spotted a 2019 with 1500 miles for a really great price. Car was in pristine condition and checked all the boxes. All this to say that the price/value equation was a home run for me and made sense based upon my budget and what I was willing to spend. I would not own a specialty Mustang if I were shopping today as the 70k+ ball park is a hard pass.
When you get to 100k+ for the SA Mustangs then you are in the Porsche territory and would pick a Porsche over one of the SA models if I had the finances.

 

[WD Pro]

I had my eye on the GT350's when they came out, but was driven away by the ADM hype and the fact that it was a new engine design. I decided to purchase an S550 GT and see what would happen to the 350. Then the engine issues started happening, along with the Tech Pkg cooler issue. I was glad I waited and really enjoyed the S550 GT. Once I began searching for another GT350 in 2019 after the Gen2 motor and model refresh I felt the value was there. Originally was looking at new, but then spotted a 2019 with 1500 miles for a really great price. Car was in pristine condition and checked all the boxes. All this to say that the price/value equation was a home run for me and made sense based upon my budget and what I was willing to spend. I would not own a specialty Mustang if I were shopping today as the 70k+ ball park is a hard pass.
When you get to 100k+ for the SA Mustangs then you are in the Porsche territory and would pick a Porsche over one of the SA models if I had the finances.

Just on values …

I know I am in a minority market (U.K.), but I wrote this on another thread and thought you might find it interesting :

Off topic but yeah, I am interested to see what happens with the export market numbers, but I don't think it will bode well for the future ...

Over here, a Dork Horse works out at circa $100k, and our version is only 4 HP more than what the 18+ S550 GT was ... (S650 GT is actually down on the 18+ S550 GT)

April price list (before options, and based on a white paint) :

Recaros = £2000
Race red = £500 (the only colour at this price)
Absolute black = £800
Vapour Blue = £1150
Dork Horse appearance package (includes paint) = £1600

The UK pricing puts it up against some really stiff competition (with likely better performance / reliability / build quality etc) :

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[sk47]

Hello; I realize this is not necessarily the way car values are determined. To some degree those willing to fork over the money set the price. Back before Covid a base GT could be had in the $30K range. After monies were dumped into the economy for various reasons. Unemployment increases for one but there were many others including scams and fraud. Point being lots of folks wound up with extra money in their pockets.
Those with extra funds could have gone to a dealer and haggled hard which might have kept the prices at pre-covid levels. That did not happen and when i tried it was pointless. Seems folks looked at the extra funds and simply agreed to an inflated price. Car dealers picked up on the situation quickly. If they sold a car at $5K over one day, then that sort of set the price. Next guy comes in and the salesman is comfortable asking that new price. Had enough buyers walked at the new price the add-ons would have lost steam. But such did not happen. Seems in fact the opposite happened. Prices got jacked up again and again. I recall a shop in Kingsport TN with a GT350. Had it marked up more than $10 K. They would not consider any less. Took them a long time to sell it tho.

I sort of get why someone will pay extra. Might not get the car if you actually walk. Add to such the extra money burning a hole in pockets. Makes a sort of sense until it gets out of hand. I have seen that sort of thing on a brand-new model over the decades. Wait a year or so and those who had to have it and might pay $5K or more over MSRP stop coming in and plunking down the money. Then a decent deal might be had. Example might be the new Nissan Z as it already is being discounted. ( i get there is more to that story)

In a sense this ought to mean the prices on these specialty Mustangs were driven up by those who buy them. If a person had to have one, then I guess no other choice. Pay to play sort of thing. just a thought.

 

[526 HRSE]

Bunch of special people in this thread making themselves feel better by talking nonsense about S650. C'mon guys, this is stupid. Dark Horse is without a doubt a really good car - only one that comes close is Mach 1 but DH seems to be better.

You may not like interior but this is where current design trends are and they probably had no choice.
Only issue with DH is its price.

Instead of being happy Ford keeps making the Mustang we get this bullshit about "values" on cars that for the most part depreciate heavily.

Absolutely not. The front end of the 650 is hideous. The rear end looks too pinched, forced. I don't even care what the inside looks like. The front end is a major miss.

 

[526 HRSE]

Hello; I realize this is not necessarily the way car values are determined. To some degree those willing to fork over the money set the price. Back before Covid a base GT could be had in the $30K range. After monies were dumped into the economy for various reasons. Unemployment increases for one but there were many others including scams and fraud. Point being lots of folks wound up with extra money in their pockets.
Those with extra funds could have gone to a dealer and haggled hard which might have kept the prices at pre-covid levels. That did not happen and when i tried it was pointless. Seems folks looked at the extra funds and simply agreed to an inflated price. Car dealers picked up on the situation quickly. If they sold a car at $5K over one day, then that sort of set the price. Next guy comes in and the salesman is comfortable asking that new price. Had enough buyers walked at the new price the add-ons would have lost steam. But such did not happen. Seems in fact the opposite happened. Prices got jacked up again and again. I recall a shop in Kingsport TN with a GT350. Had it marked up more than $10 K. They would not consider any less. Took them a long time to sell it tho.

I sort of get why someone will pay extra. Might not get the car if you actually walk. Add to such the extra money burning a hole in pockets. Makes a sort of sense until it gets out of hand. I have seen that sort of thing on a brand-new model over the decades. Wait a year or so and those who had to have it and might pay $5K or more over MSRP stop coming in and plunking down the money. Then a decent deal might be had. Example might be the new Nissan Z as it already is being discounted. ( i get there is more to that story)

In a sense this ought to mean the prices on these specialty Mustangs were driven up by those who buy them. If a person had to have one, then I guess no other choice. Pay to play sort of thing. just a thought.

People that don't value money hurt the market for people who do.

 

[svttim]

Value wise I guess I don't really care. I paid under sticker for my 19 350R and I'm very happy with it. As for the New Shelby GT350, I would consider it a value at 110 considering a Darkhorse can come in close enough to compare. And anyone who thinks the Shelby cars are stickers and a supercharger needs to do a bit of research. Keep in mind anything that is low production is going to be expensive because the parts on the car cost more.

The 650 was designed with the new generation in mind. Unfortunately Ford miscalculated its market. Focus groups of 20 somethings has gotten them the lowest sales in years. That's not to insult the 20 year old's but, as a rule they are either not in the income bracket or, they could care less about cars. And while the baby boomer generations is trailing off, they are by far the largest group of consumers. Like many here I see nothing about the S65o that I like other than they still offer a V8. Three of 4 angles you cant tell its a Mustang. Throw you history out the door, throw your buyers with it. At a recent dealers meeting they announced there would be no Ford produced Shelby models. They promptly and loudly got booed. Throwing out the legacy be it Boss, Mach 1 or Shelby is throwing Mustang out. IMHO

 

[MAGS1]

At a recent dealers meeting they announced there would be no Ford produced Shelby models. They promptly and loudly got booed. Throwing out the legacy be it Boss, Mach 1 or Shelby is throwing Mustang out. IMHO

I was recently talking to the GM of the dealer I go to and he mentioned the same thing. He’s still able to move plenty of Mustangs but he has to discount them more than he used to. He’s still making a little bit of money on each one but not much.

He said that he gave his opinion to Ford, they need to bring back at least one of the legacy nameplates (he suggested Boss as it hasn’t been used in a while) to keep the boomers and GenX crowds engaged. Rumor is the newest high powered Mustang will have the name Dark Horse Boss, so kinda using a legacy nameplate. Not sure it will satisfy the masses though…

 

[Lorne34]

Value wise I guess I don't really care. I paid under sticker for my 19 350R and I'm very happy with it. As for the New Shelby GT350, I would consider it a value at 110 considering a Darkhorse can come in close enough to compare. And anyone who thinks the Shelby cars are stickers and a supercharger needs to do a bit of research. Keep in mind anything that is low production is going to be expensive because the parts on the car cost more.

The 650 was designed with the new generation in mind. Unfortunately Ford miscalculated its market. Focus groups of 20 somethings has gotten them the lowest sales in years. That's not to insult the 20 year old's but, as a rule they are either not in the income bracket or, they could care less about cars. And while the baby boomer generations is trailing off, they are by far the largest group of consumers. Like many here I see nothing about the S65o that I like other than they still offer a V8. Three of 4 angles you cant tell its a Mustang. Throw you history out the door, throw your buyers with it. At a recent dealers meeting they announced there would be no Ford produced Shelby models. They promptly and loudly got booed. Throwing out the legacy be it Boss, Mach 1 or Shelby is throwing Mustang out. IMHO

Well said Tim. I really tried to keep an open mind with the S650 platform, but they really have left us BB's in the dust. I sat in a S650 Vert and while the "ipads" look better in person I was dismayed at the total lack of tactile controls for the cabin. I spoke with one owner who was totally frustrated with the fact that he had to interact with the touch screen just to adjust the blower motor. I've worked in IT for over 30 years now and i've seen the rule of "diminishing returns" occur over and over again. There comes a point where enough is enough and the practical aspects of driving and engaging with a specialty car are lost.
I saw an S560 the other day coming off the freeway and honestly I had to look at it several times to determine whether it was a camaro or a mustang.
In regards to Shelby America, I agree that they are producing a low volume specialty version of the mustang that is appealing to a really niche group of people. For me I have a cap limit based upon my income and my personal convictions regarding debt. But even if I had the cash, I just am not attracted to the SA Mustangs.
I saw a Dark Horse at the Bergstrom Ford Dealership last year with a 70 window sticker. I took my time and really looked the car over. It's impressive, but I wouldn't trade my GT350 for it.
At times I feel like I won a raffle or lottery drawing when it comes to my 350. It's not perfect, but it is an incredible value for the money and hard to find another car with it's capabilities and personality that fits my budget.

 

[MAGS1]

Interesting that this was the first post that showed up on my feed this morning

 

[Strokerswild]

I would expect that S550 values would remain fairly strong for very clean, low mile examples simply because the S650s are so expensive. I was offered near what I paid for my '15 (spotless, under 15K miles) at the local collector car emporium over the weekend toward a stunning '70 Mach 1, but we were too far apart on the trade balance.

Beyond pricing, the S650 styling was/is a massive swing and a miss. At the same collector car dealership, they have a near-showroom '24 S650 GT on the floor in Rapid Red, and I simply don't like it from any angle. I absolutely hate the double iPad dash as well. I bought the wife a new Escape ST in March, and it has the dorky iPad center screen also (can't wait for this trend to die), but at least the instrument cluster doesn't look like something torn off an office copier.

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