Rumor - The GT500 thread

[Evil Minion]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Spoiler alert: I won't see it, cause it won't happen.

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[AgentOrange]

I hope like hell it won't happen.

 

[GoBlues38]

I don't care how they get there. As long as the power is made.

Heck, at this point, I think I prefer Turbo cars. Switching back to NA when I have been in Turbo's the last 15 years has it's learning curve for sure.

For me, I like the fact that turbo cars have an "off" switch so to speak if you keep the rev's low. Keep the rev's up, and you have all the power you need.

I would even drive a hybrid with the right amount of power (see Formula 1 technology)

 

[BoomBoy]

I think the Ford GT engine is awesome. 2 less cylinders don't bother me and I own a Mustang GT. Maybe it's because my previous cars are boosted 4-cylinders.

 

[Twin Turbo]

Already being discussed here

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26103

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

That's the thing.

The V8 is capable of so much more.

Why settle for a 650 hp TT V6 when you can have a 1000HP TT V8.

The 6 would literally have ZERO advantage, from power, to powert-to-weight, etc..

Fuel mileage might be better. But that's not why you buy a GT500.

But you do have some that want to see a lesserr engine in the top dog simply to upset everyone... like that's a great sales tactic.

It's just what legends are made of and what redefines trends.

A big power TT V8 is not revolutionary...they're actually a bit passé in the aftermarket/grassroots world.

Think of what Ford has done w/ the EB in the F150...all the naysayers came out saying how it won't work, until they drove one. Oh, and you might not want to look at the sales #s for them, as the sales have crushed the notion of 'needing a V8'. And yes, I love it when narrowmindedness is proven wrong...please don't take me out of context...I did not say 'everyone'.

For someone who argues so fervently to move forward in design, you sure are reluctant to accept that other arrangements beyond a V8 can produce big power.

I guess that follows the trend though. Black wheels have been popular for a while, now the OEMs offer them...turbo V8s have been around a while, I guess it's time the OEMs offer them as well...but I don't think they will. Power delivery is so much different than a supercharger I don't think lawyers will let it happen w/ a stickshift car at these potential Hellcat competing power levels, although it would be cool to see.

Also, why would a tt v6 not have a weight advantage over a tt v8?

Fuel mileage would most certainly be better w/ a direct and port injected 6 vs what would, at this point, be a port injected V8.

These are very notable advantages whether you wish to accept them or not.

 

[9secondko]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/115062995919/ford-shelby-gt500-mustang-to-use-a-twin-turbo-v6-engine
via http://www.automobilemag.com/featur...muscle-ford-shelby-gt500-vs-chevy-camaro-zl1/

RIP naturally aspirated engines :-(

Why "RIP" NA engines?

The GT500 has been FI since it was reintroduced almost a decade ago.
No one thought NA engines were dying then.

Same car keeping same formula (in the induction dept.) shouldn't cause this kind of reaction.

 

[9secondko]

It's just what legends are made of and what redefines trends.

A big power TT V8 is not revolutionary...they're actually a bit passé in the aftermarket/grassroots world.

Think of what Ford has done w/ the EB in the F150...all the naysayers came out saying how it won't work, until they drove one. Oh, and you might not want to look at the sales #s for them, as the sales have crushed the notion of 'needing a V8'. And yes, I love it when narrowmindedness is proven wrong...please don't take me out of context...I did not say 'everyone'.

For someone who argues so fervently to move forward in design, you sure are reluctant to accept that other arrangements beyond a V8 can produce big power.

I guess that follows the trend though. Black wheels have been popular for a while, now the OEMs offer them...turbo V8s have been around a while, I guess it's time the OEMs offer them as well...but I don't think they will. Power delivery is so much different than a supercharger I don't think lawyers will let it happen w/ a stickshift car at these potential Hellcat competing power levels, although it would be cool to see.

Also, why would a tt v6 not have a weight advantage over a tt v8?

Fuel mileage would most certainly be better w/ a direct and port injected 6 vs what would, at this point, be a port injected V8.

These are very notable advantages whether you wish to accept them or not.

Right... Like a FI coyote or voodoo couldn't hope to beat their power levels.

lol

Let's compare apples to apples and at similar price ranges.

Don't compare FI to NA or vice versa.

As much effort has been put into creating powerful lesser engines with forced induction.

Take the supra engine and the GN engine minus FI. You have two. Dog motors.

Take the coyote or voodoo and you have two insanely great engines.

Now, bolster the internals with every bit of the same effort spent on the 6 and 4s and you have something that blows the doors off those engines.

Engine aside, the supra was cool because of its aero profile and weight.

But we are talking engines.

And the supra was fun in the aftermarket because the internals were made to tolerate high boost.

That's it.

Give that same attention to a voodoo or coyote and we know that that plays out.

And while you're at it, try telling the GTR guys to drop a couple cylinders and see how they feel.

Lol

A well designed v8 is simply capable of MORE.

And TT ANYTHING isn't revolutionary. But it's time has come as a mature technology in making "clean" power.

If anything is passé, it's the overboosted 6 and 4 cylinders popularized by the F&F crowd for the last decade and s half.

 

[z06psi]

O.k. I guess the McLaren P1 is just a failure then? Lol

 

[pinero61]

First time I've ever heard the 2jz called a "dog motor". Which, should be an engine, not a motor. Massive difference between the two....

Anyway, there are several 6 banger applications that are as capable as their v8 counterparts.

Nissan RB engines
Nissan GTR (current)
1/2jz
Etc...

There are many examples of these engines making 1-2k hp. That being said, the 3.5 Eco will never compete with a built 5.0. The aftermarket is just not there.

In the case of the 5.2, it will not, IMO, do well as a boosted application. All of its components are lightweight, and built to turn high rpm.

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

Really? all this fuss over a V6 turbo? If its good enough for the Raptor TRUCK and the GT40 come on guys....it would sound wicked and wont have a boat anchor in the front, may actually hand great too !! this is progress.....Chev will get rid of the 7.0L for smaller eventually, as technology changes all the engines will be smaller. Its inevitable....sorry

 

[9secondko]

O.k. I guess the McLaren P1 is just a failure then? Lol

Dang fine example of a TT V8.

 

[Free Agent]

Love to see Ford build a TT V8 or blow V8 with about 720 HP and tell Dodge and the Hellcat to F@#$ off!!!

Oh and offer it with an automatic option too.

 

[9secondko]

First time I've ever heard the 2jz called a "dog motor". Which, should be an engine, not a motor. Massive difference between the two....

Anyway, there are several 6 banger applications that are as capable as their v8 counterparts.

Nissan RB engines
Nissan GTR (current)
1/2jz
Etc...

There are many examples of these engines making 1-2k hp. That being said, the 3.5 Eco will never compete with a built 5.0. The aftermarket is just not there.

In the case of the 5.2, it will not, IMO, do well as a boosted application. All of its components are lightweight, and built to turn high rpm.

And suppose you missed the party about taking the FI away being the qualification for the "dog" adjective, meaning you missed the point entirely.

And the difference isn't lost on me, but you know as well as I do that may car guys use the term interchangeably and have since the 1960s. But I'm not going to argue that. You win. Yay!

But you continue the erroneous comparison of apples to oranges.

Let's look at NA TO NA and FI to FI. BEYOND THAT, FI is different with supercharging vs turbo. Turbo allows for more power.

So let's look at that.

When a v8 is properly developed as a turbo application, it's simply capable of more.

Keeping it clean has been the challenge. But we are there these days.

Turbo 6 is cool. Turbo 8 is much more so.

 

[9secondko]

Love to see Ford build a TT V8 or blow V8 with about 720 HP and tell Dodge and the Hellcat to F@#$ off!!!

Oh and offer it with an automatic option too.

This. Although I surely hope the first digit is an 8..

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