Replaced Voodoo Engine

[DCShelby]

Don't do Audi, they are a disappointment with the horrible front wheel drive setup. absolutely horrible understeer on the track... I owned a few (S3, A3, A4, S4) .... Was tempted by the RS4 but when I drove it I realized it's not for me... I went back to BMW, forever. Nothing like that solid feel in your hands.
The new RS5 has a v6, and it's heavily underpowered now compared to competition.

I had a B7S4 thst I modded with full Alcon brakes, HR sway bars, PSS9 suspension and APR tune..doing all that made it great on backroads. It’s weak link was the plastic cam chain guides that would crack and grenade the motor. The regular models are in need of power but the RS5 felt pretty good. Like I said, I’ll get something later for higher performance. Perhaps a 997.1 Turbo or a GTS4. I’ve got a 1299 Panigale S too if I feel a need for real speed.

 

[Lorne34]

I called Ford Performance myself yesterday and talked with a technician (Matt). He gave me the usual story about "high strung" engines and how they will use oil. When I pressed him on the fact that the end user experience is all over the board he had no answer. I also pressed him about a supposed "fix" and he had no answer. He did acknowledge that the GT500 engine block will be used in the 2019 350's but made it clear that it is the block only. So at this point I am done pursuing a GT350 until I see improvement in the overall quality of these engines. This is a shame.

 

[Colleton]

You're letting the fear mongers get the better of you.

 

[Strokerswild]

Unfortunately, fear mongering got the better of me too.

Oh, and the ADMs before the fear mongering really took hold....

 

[Minn19]

You're letting the fear mongers get the better of you.

Unfortunately, fear mongering got the better of me too.

Oh, and the ADMs before the fear mongering really took hold....

Sometimes I wish they'd gotten the better of me as well. But, overall I'm still glad I got the experience of the car when it worked of course.

 

[Minn19]

I called Ford Performance myself yesterday and talked with a technician (Matt). He gave me the usual story about "high strung" engines and how they will use oil. When I pressed him on the fact that the end user experience is all over the board he had no answer. I also pressed him about a supposed "fix" and he had no answer. He did acknowledge that the GT500 engine block will be used in the 2019 350's but made it clear that it is the block only. So at this point I am done pursuing a GT350 until I see improvement in the overall quality of these engines. This is a shame.

I had a similar conversation with them a while back and on another topic. To be fair they aren't going to say anything and risk their careers even if they know so something.

 

[DCShelby]

I called Ford Performance myself yesterday and talked with a technician (Matt). He gave me the usual story about "high strung" engines and how they will use oil. When I pressed him on the fact that the end user experience is all over the board he had no answer. I also pressed him about a supposed "fix" and he had no answer. He did acknowledge that the GT500 engine block will be used in the 2019 350's but made it clear that it is the block only. So at this point I am done pursuing a GT350 until I see improvement in the overall quality of these engines. This is a shame.

Yes it’s bullshit. My Integra Type R from 1998 was also high strung and used no oil. My Honda, Aprilia, Ducati, Suzuki and KTM bikes were also high strung and used no oil. I raced a Kawasaki ZX7 and a F2 Honda in WERA and CCS and they never used much oil and that’s not trackday, it’s real racing.

 

[Lorne34]

You're letting the fear mongers get the better of you.

Everything has quality control issues, I get that.. I never expected the GT350 to be perfect, but every where I turn I am running into another instance of someone replacing an engine or having to add oil constantly.... I just watched a you tube video with 2 gt350 owners showing off their cars. The guy with the grabber blue 2017 model does an oh by the way... I had to have the engine replaced at the end of the video. Another guy went on a exotic car cruise where they ship your car to the destination and ride some very cool areas... his morning video shows him adding oil to the 350 and commenting on how much oil it consumes..... This is not just some little segment of the ownership population.
It's risk vs reward or cost vs reward. My time and $ are worth something to me and right now the risk/reward is tipped to the NO side.

 

[torque124]

I think these internet forums are bad for some individuals... they are only spreading disease and fear into the hearts of the weak...
The quantity of people having engine problems is not higher than any other brand, like Porsche, Audi or BMW. It is highly over-represented as they are vocal on all media channels, which we now have access to.
How many owners of GT350's do not even read forums, and are happily driving their cars, clocking 10's of thousands of kays? Trust me, more than the sample of people winging here about engine issues.
Sure they did happen, not saying it did not, but it is a very small percentage of the complete population. It's all about probabilities, and will happen any car you would buy; more so a high performance car.

If you like a car, buy it. Drive it, enjoy it. Stop thinking what if... If it happens, you will cross that bridge when you get to it.
If my engine failed today, I would not have any regrets after 11k miles of pure driving pleasure; I'll be happy with a new one, to get another 11k miles of it.

 

[torque124]

Everything has quality control issues, I get that.. I never expected the GT350 to be perfect, but every where I turn I am running into another instance of someone replacing an engine or having to add oil constantly.... I just watched a you tube video with 2 gt350 owners showing off their cars. The guy with the grabber blue 2017 model does an oh by the way... I had to have the engine replaced at the end of the video. Another guy went on a exotic car cruise where they ship your car to the destination and ride some very cool areas... his morning video shows him adding oil to the 350 and commenting on how much oil it consumes..... This is not just some little segment of the ownership population.
It's risk vs reward or cost vs reward. My time and $ are worth something to me and right now the risk/reward is tipped to the NO side.

You want to know the risk, I can roughly tell you what it is.. so from searching around there are 7115 GT350's (R and non R) made in 2017... The spreadsheet above shows 60 engine failures from cars made in all 3 years 2016-2018. Let's consider all 60 made in 2017, which might cover for un-reported engine failures in 2017.
That will give us a probability of 0.0084 of someone buying a 2017 model, and having an engine failing. That is 0.8%. You know what that means ? It means less than one car of every 100 is likely to fail...

 

[Minn19]

I think these internet forums are bad for some individuals... they are only spreading disease and fear into the hearts of the weak...
The quantity of people having engine problems is not higher than any other brand, like Porsche, Audi or BMW. It is highly over-represented as they are vocal on all media channels, which we now have access to.
How many owners of GT350's do not even read forums, and are happily driving their cars, clocking 10's of thousands of kays? Trust me, more than the sample of people winging here about engine issues.
Sure they did happen, not saying it did not, but it is a very small percentage of the complete population. It's all about probabilities, and will happen any car you would buy; more so a high performance car.

If you like a car, buy it. Drive it, enjoy it. Stop thinking what if... If it happens, you will cross that bridge when you get to it.
If my engine failed today, I would not have any regrets after 11k miles of pure driving pleasure; I'll be happy with a new one, to get another 11k miles of it.

And this is the other part of the forum that gets people going. A lot of us are experienced car guys with many different brands etc just like you and base our thoughts off of that knowledge. All cars have issues and I just happened to have a ton of issues with both of my GT350s, which lines up with a lot of the common issues expressed here. The thing with me is how many engine failures I saw with regular members and some of them multiple ones on this forum and other GT350 ones. I've never seen that on any forum I've been on and I've been on quite few. Sometimes it isn't fear mongering and it is reality, just like with past 'Vette, E90 and Porsche motor issues. I'm sure those forums had the same people like you and others saying this exact thing. Nothing is happening etc etc. I never talk shit for a lot of reasons, but I really wouldn't in this situation when you don't have that many miles on these cars. My second GT350 was just fine until 9000 miles and then it started drinking oil one week last July/August.

I hope nothing happens to yours and you guys that have had no issues with your Voodoos. But, to say this crap to people who had enough with these issues (plus corporate Fords BS) and decided to move on or are deciding to is utter bullshit.

 

[Minn19]

You want to know the risk, I can roughly tell you what it is.. so from searching around there are 7115 GT350's (R and non R) made in 2017... The spreadsheet above shows 60 engine failures from cars made in all 3 years 2016-2018. Let's consider all 60 made in 2017, which might cover for un-reported engine failures in 2017.
That will give us a probability of 0.0084 of someone buying a 2017 model, and having an engine failing. That is 0.8%. You know what that means ? It means less than one car of every 100 is likely to fail...

And that hasn't been updated regularly and obviously doesn't come close to accounting for all failures. It also doesn't account for people that are just dealing with the oil burning issue and dumping quart after quart into their Voodoos and not bringing them in for their own reasons.

 

[torque124]

And this is the other part of the forum that gets people going. A lot of us are experienced car guys with many different brands etc just like you and base our thoughts off of that knowledge. All cars have issues and I just happened to have a ton of issues with both of my GT350s, which lines up with a lot of the common issues expressed here. The thing with me is how many engine failures I saw with regular members and some of them multiple ones on this forum and other GT350 ones. I've never seen that on any forum I've been on and I've been on quite few. Sometimes it isn't fear mongering and it is reality, just like with past 'Vette, E90 and Porsche motor issues. I'm sure those forums had the same people like you and others saying this exact thing. Nothing is happening etc etc. I never talk shit for a lot of reasons, but I really wouldn't in this situation when you don't have that many miles on these cars. My second GT350 was just fine until 9000 miles and then it started drinking oil one week last July/August.

I hope nothing happens to yours and you guys that have had no issues with your Voodoos. But, to say this crap to people who had enough with these issues (plus corporate Fords BS) and decided to move on or are deciding to is utter bullshit.

I am not denying any moment at any stage that it did happen, and I feel sorry for the individuals that had to put up with it... My point is for the potential buyer who will NOT buy a car based on internet forums reported engine failures.
To be honest, if it was not for the Shelby GT500 or GT350, I would never buy a Ford. Nothing else in the Ford line up attracts me, not even the new Mustang GT. If I would have a stick against Ford, I would probably go back to an M2 Competition or M3 like you did
Cheers

 

[DCShelby]

For me it’s just the unknown factor. One should not have to carry multiple quarts of oil on a long drive if it’s usibg oil or all the sudden starts too. I’ll also argue thst it’s higher than .8 percent failure as there may be lots more thst do not belong to forums that have oil issues. Own it and fess up like Porsche did in the GT3 failures.

 

[jvandy50]

You want to know the risk, I can roughly tell you what it is.. so from searching around there are 7115 GT350's (R and non R) made in 2017... The spreadsheet above shows 60 engine failures from cars made in all 3 years 2016-2018. Let's consider all 60 made in 2017, which might cover for un-reported engine failures in 2017.
That will give us a probability of 0.0084 of someone buying a 2017 model, and having an engine failing. That is 0.8%. You know what that means ? It means less than one car of every 100 is likely to fail...

hopefully anyone reading your math realizes that every singe owner isn't on this forum. once you realize how many are, and how many problems that small group had, the issue starts to make sense as to why some of us say it's a little larger of a problem than we've seen before. sure some have joined just because of the issues, but many long standing members had problems too.